What's your opinion on this?
 

One session of qualifying at Atlanta and straight into eliminations. Should DQs be allowed to run the event? In this case it looks like they are allowing them to run. What is your take on it?

Re: What's your opinion on this?
 

Probably weight or fuel, so let e'm run. He gets no position advantage in the ladder, and he will get checked again if he wins.

Re: What's your opinion on this?
 

If they don't get the scheduled amount of time runs, yes. If they get the scheduled amount of time runs, no.

Standard procedure.

Re: What's your opinion on this?
 

I agree with Mike. With the information we have it looks to be a technical infraction, so because there appear to be no Combo Class run-off's, it's right into the Eliminator tomorrow morning. He'll still have to meet weight and pass a fuel-check in order to advance anyway, so I see no problem.

Lew

Re: What's your opinion on this?
 

They have changed that rule in the last few years.In the past if you showed up at a National event or a points race and did not make a legal run down the track ,you did not get on the ladder. Now you do.

Re: What's your opinion on this?
 

If a race is scheduled to have four qualifying sessions and four qualifying sessions are run and you don't make a legal pass, you will not get on the ladder. Of course, it's the division director's call and he can still put you on the ladder if he wants to.

Re: What's your opinion on this?
 

Two years ago joe Mocci was not allowed to run at englishtown for a weight infraction. Did they change this rule recently? I do see how he would have to pass if he won first round so it kind of makes sense that he is in. I always threw extra weight in the car for Q1 just to avoid it ever happening to me but I guess I don't have to anymore.

Re: What's your opinion on this?
 

I know its the race that never happened, but last week in Houston there was a car on the latter that never went down the track..... but like Mr. Lang said, I have no problem with it because we only got 1 pass down the track.

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Agree with Toby 100%. Was only considering the issue in regards to the situation - only ONE run.

Re: What's your opinion on this?
 

This situation happened last year at Vegas. I went to bed #1 qualifier with about 51 or some other odd amount of cars, and woke up # 1 with 53 (or 2 more anyway). Now had I taken a trigger and not got No 1, I probably would have been very vocal. Good weather all the way. There is some kind of screwball rule for putting people on the list, and it is designed for weather events, but it has been used to allow anyone who wants to get another day away from the track to simply get on the list without being there or going down the track to enter. Maybe we could get the official NHRA ruling on matters like this. I think we all understand weather happenings, but it should be limited to just that.

Re: What's your opinion on this?
 

Nit picking a little but don't forget points. 10 passing tech,10 for qualify and ten first round. Now what?

Re: What's your opinion on this?
 

I assume this is the race you are talking about, right?:


Fri, 02 Nov 2012
Stock Eliminator Qualifying, Final Order (Pending Cleanup)

LAS VEGAS - Final order, pending cleanup, after 3 rounds of qualifying in Stock Eliminator at the NHRA Lucas Oil Drag Racing Series, Pacific Division, Shortline Express Gambler Shootout at The Strip at Las Vegas Motor Speedway:

Psn--Num--Class-Driver, Home Town, Machine-----------------ET---Index---(+/-)

1 49 F/SA Jeff Teuton, Houma LA, '09 Challenger 10.957 12.06 -1.103
2 8 AA/SA Bo Butner, Floyds Knobs IN, '12 Mustang 9.097 10.17 -1.073
3 79 C/SA Leo Glasbrenner, Chino CA, '68 Firebird 10.593 11.60 -1.007

....

92 2 M/SA Jody Lang, Puyallup WA, '81 Malibu Wgn 13.230 13.07 0.160
93 4427 D/SA Jarrod Granier, Labadieville LA, '97 Cama 12.160 11.75 0.410
94 4 C/SA Slate Cummings, Hammond LA, '69 Camaro 12.080 11.60 0.480

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Sat, 03 Nov 2012
Stock Eliminator Qualifying, Final Order

LAS VEGAS - Final order after 3 rounds of qualifying in Stock Eliminator at the NHRA Lucas Oil Drag Racing Series, Pacific Division, Short Line Express Gambler Shootout at The Strip at Las Vegas Motor Speedway:

Psn--Num--Class-Driver, Home Town, Machine-----------------ET---Index---(+/-)

1 49 F/SA Jeff Teuton, Houma LA, '09 Challenger 10.957 12.06 -1.103
2 8 AA/SA Bo Butner, Floyds Knobs IN, '12 Mustang 9.097 10.17 -1.073
3 79 C/SA Leo Glasbrenner, Chino CA, '68 Firebird 10.593 11.60 -1.007

...

95 4 C/SA Slate Cummings, Hammond LA, '69 Camaro 12.080 11.60 0.480
96 5809 E/SA Brad Burton, Kirkland WA, '72 Firebird 24.000 11.90 12.100
97 777H BF/S Alan Hoefer, Calimesa CA, '90 Daytona 28.000 14.90 13.100



If you notice on the first qualifying sheet I posted from Friday it says: "Pending Cleanup."

I wasn't there, but it looks like there was a cleanup run scheduled on Friday (like Thursday,) but they didn't get time to run it. So Mike added Brad Burton and Alan Hoefer to the ladder. Maybe Brad can comment on it.

I don't know about you, but if I waited all day for a cleanup run that didn't happen and I didn't get on the ladder I might be a little upset.

Re: What's your opinion on this?
 

Not sure what you're getting at, but I have never seen anybody get 20 points for not showing up for first round. They get 30 points for a first round loss.

Re: What's your opinion on this?
 

Well I have to disagree you get 10 per round made not won. By rule if you pass tech but do not qualify,therefore no 1st round , you get 10 points for that event. Now maybe this has changed. If you do not make 1st rd but qualified, you would receive 20 points for that event. Happened to me before.

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Must have been a long time ago when it happen to you. Like I said, I have never seen a 20 pointer in the points details. Maybe you can give us a link?


Here's a recent one:

Sat, 23 Feb 2013
CHANDLER, Ariz. - Results of round 1 eliminations in Super Stock at the NHRA Mello Yello Drag Racing Series, 29th annual NHRA Arizona Nationals:

Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET-- Speed-----Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET-- Speed
640 Don Thomas 6777 Rick Paton
E1 ****WINNER**** 0.046 10.026 131.51 No Time
GT/DA Dial: 10.50 (+/-): -0.474 SS/AS Dial: 9.60 (+/-): 90.399
Qualified: #38 9.979 -0.521 #11 8.723 -0.877

Paton is a No Show and Thomas gets the free ticket to round two.


National Championship Points
Driver: Rick Paton
Class/Registration: SS/6777
Hometown: Edmonton, AB
Points Sum Type Event Code And Location Date
30 30 NA PA1-Chandler, AZ 02/24/2013
51 81 HD 61-Boise, ID 04/28/2013
81 Events Attended/Counted: 2/2

Re: What's your opinion on this?
 

I don't know the exact why and how but, there are several drivers in the national superstock points with 10 and 20 points respectively. I imagine they were at an event but perhaps did not make a run?

Re: What's your opinion on this?
 

NHRA LUCAS OIL DRAG RACING SERIES POINTS

In all NHRA Lucas Oil Drag Racing Series categories (including Top Alcohol Dragster and Top Alcohol Funny Car), points are awarded at national, regional, and divisional events as follows:


Actual
Field
Size: 1st Rd.
loser: 2nd Rd.
loser: 3rd Rd.
loser: 4th Rd.
loser: 5th Rd.
loser: 6th Rd.
loser: 7th Rd.
loser: R/U Win
4 or less 33 64 85
5 to 8 32 43 64 85
9 to 16 31 42 53 64 85
17 to 32 30 41 52 63 74 95
33 to 64 30 40 51 62 73 84 105
65 to 128 30 40 50 61 72 83 94 105
129 and over 30 40 50 60 71 82 93 104 115


All remaining event non-qualifiers or no-shows in eliminations will automatically receive 10 points. A minimum of 10 points will be awarded to all contestants upon completion of event tech inspection and registration. Points will not be awarded for qualifying positions in any NHRA Lucas Oil Drag Racing Series categories.

Re: What's your opinion on this?
 

So you can get 10 points or 30 points at an event with no possibility of getting 20..

Re: What's your opinion on this?
 

Correct. 10 points by passing tech and then it`s 30 points after a passing qualifying run even if you`re a no show first round.

Re: What's your opinion on this?
 

So what you are saying is that you get 20 points for rd. 1 plus 10 for passing tech. But of course you have to pass tech to get to round one. But don't you have to get on the sheet to get to round one. Interesting.