Who's participating in the Factory Stock Showdown at E-town?
 

With Englishtown a little more than 3 weeks away; who is planning to participate in the Factory Stock Showdown? I saw the first Showdown at Indy last year, and even though only 9 cars participated; it was a great show that I thoroughly enjoyed. Chris Holbrook is entered in AAA/SA, so I am fairly certain that he will be in it; let's hear from anyone who plans to run.

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You are correct we will be running the Factory Stock Showdown in E-Town. I look forward to running there. A lot of people don't know that my father Carl,Captain Cobra Jet ran there in late 60's a lot and I was actually born in New Jersey. Hope to see you there.:)

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Anybody know what day they are running the Showdown? Thanks.

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Currently paula cambria plans to run her 2013 COPO in BB/SA

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The only thing that I know is that it is being run as part of Stock class eliminations.

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I plan to be there. I'm not super excited about the weights and indexes but I think it's important to support these shootouts. Plus they're fun, especially when you're racing the best of the best.

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I sure hope they would run it on Sunday for an audience to watch and learn of these new cars. Plus it is the only day I can go this year....

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I plan on being their as well to support the class , I have only raced at one in the past but had a good time

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Bo and David, I saw your names on the entry list for Stock; it is good to know that you both are going to run in the Showdown. Hopefully, there will be a decent number of participants.

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There are no 2013 COPOs in the class guide as of today

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She can call it a 2012 .............

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I can't wait, the 440hp DP get's to take out 220 lb. The 435hp COPO get's to take out 83 lb and the 416 hp CJ get's to add 60 lb wow ok. When did the 421 hp, 429 hp and 440 hp DP's get to weight 100 lb less then the 416 hp CJ !!!!!!!!!!!!! Did the Ramchargers make the rules up????????:mad:

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Roger you have a good point . AHFS should just reduce their HP and be done with it or they should be like everyone else .

Jeff or David please weight in on this

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They earned their H.P. , how can they reduce it just because of showdown races ?

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Cause it's a shootout. 3250, under 400, no ahfs, heads up all brands. if you don't like, don't particiapte. The over 400 cid is 3350 and the specs for the new 426, the copo 427, and the ford 428 or 427 depending on just what Jessee got today and I'm not sure of the specs right now, but I can find out. Or you run the regular class that you would be normally in.

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Paula's 2013 COPO is entered.

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Thank you Jeff , LMAO

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So this showdown is during the Nat'l event at Englishtown ? Do the showdown cars qualify for the main race under a special showdown class index ? I'm asking because I don't know . Not sure what is funny about that ...

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Billy we have a special index for the race for the class we are in , I'm in FS/SA class on a 10.20 index @3500lbs . There is also no AFHS for the race for these cars including elemination per NHRA

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The index for the unblown cars is 10..50. The Blown and V10 is 10.20. And they run in Stock Eliminator and the AHFS does not apply to the Shoot Out cars. I don't think they will be any 426 Mopars there because the first one has not been built all the parts are not yet available. It's really aimed at Indy. But someone could run a 6.1 @ 3350 lbs including driver on the 10.50 index. What Bo and I were joking about is as the full rules become apparent, there will be gnasing of teeth etc as usually goes on because it ain't a 69 Camaro. All Stock specs apply, just those two factors, heads up, and part of Stock Eliminator.

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Hey Jeff - what is the weight on the V10 and the blown cars?

Ron

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It's simple, the Drag Pak Challenger's have been hit more times. If you ask me the 428 CJ's should be going a lot quicker than they have been.

Let's do a quick comparison. On paper the engine restrictions are basically the same except for one huge detail. 58 more cubes which equals about 100 more HP. Even if you cut my calculation in half and call it an extra 50 HP that should still blow away the 6.1 Hemi. I'd take the extra 58 cubes for 100 lbs any day.

Cubic Inches 370 vs. 428 = 58 more cubes
Compression 12.6 vs. 12.7 = .1 more compression
Intake Valve 2.100 vs. 2.085 = .015 smaller
Exhaust Valve 1.600 vs. 1.605 = .005 bigger
Intake Lift .602 vs. .589 = .013 smaller
Exhaust Lift .569 vs. .589 = .020 bigger
TB 1.75 vs. 1.75 = same

Either way the blower cars have the biggest advantage with the 10.20 index. The Atco race proved that. I ran 9.32 which was 1.18 under my 10.50 index. But Bo ran 8.78 with his 10.00 index making it 1.22 under. For Englishtown he gains 2 tenths on his index and I get to remove 50 pounds. Assuming that's all he had he will have me covered by .18-.20.

But hey, let's go racing. I'm looking forward to it. And if anyone needs help don't be afraid to ask.

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David , when anyone races you they bring all they have . I'm not the car to worry about it's the 5.0 with 2.9 blower thats the car to beat no matter who you are . Nice job on the numbers .

I agree with the other racers , let go race and enjoy the fact's , no AHFS , heads up off index and first to the finish line wins .

A big special thanks to NHRA , Ford , GM , Mopar and PC Richards for letting us run this type of racing at NHRA races

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The V10 is 3200 lbs., and the blown cars are 3500 lbs; both run on a 10.20 index.

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OK thanks - I think we could get ours to 3200 with Kirkey seats and NO driver ...

Just wanted to make sure we can get to the minimum


Ron

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Ron,

This away they can't say we couldn't get to min. Lol. I believe they are working on a different weight for the v10. We are in the same boat with both of our v10's!

Hope to see you around!

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Kirkys, yep. 1/2 tank of fuel, yep. One Battery,yep. No weight in the car at all......comes in at 3220 on our scales. So if I can get my Three year old baby girl her 4B license we would still be 50 above minimum.........

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If they would make the rules similar to the P.C. Richard race we just had at Atco it would make more sense. I would change a couple things.

P.C. Richard
FS/SA - 10.00 Index - 3500 lbs Supercharged
FS/SB - 10.20 Index - 3400 lbs 451+ N/A
FS/SC - 10.50 Index - 3300 lbs 300-450 N/A

After running a few of these events I think this would work a little better. The weights are a little more realistic. And I'm not knocking what Mr. Richard has done for us. I greatly appreciate everything he does for the sport of Drag Racing. Plus he and his crew are top notch people.

Revised
FS/SA - 10.00 Index - 3500 lbs Supercharged
FS/SB - 10.30 Index - 3500 lbs 451+ N/A
FS/SC - 10.40 Index - 3250 lbs 401-450 N/A
FS/SD - 10.50 Index - 3250 lbs 300-400 N/A

The V10's can't weigh much less than 3500 with an average driver and battery so I figure if you added 100 lbs and a tenth to the index it would even out.

Based on actual timeslips the smaller N/A motors could use 50 lbs less.

The 426's, 427's, and 428's should have a tenth stiffer index. There is no reason why the 345, 370, and 392 should carry the same index as the bigger ones.

Just my opinion. In the end, even if you think your combination has a disadvantage you should run these events to support the cause. Plus It helps show just how fast or slow you really are. If you don't show then we'll never know. It really bothers me when we have special races like this and certain people choose not to run it. Especially when they are there but in a different class.

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wish i live closer it will be neat to watch and i hate to say it might (should) gain more interest then the hemi shootout gets.

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Thank you - a man who has done his "homework"

Regardless of the weight breaks - we would definitely be there if it were not for the 2000 mile trip, my job and Andy's last year of school

But I am a long time crazy drag racer - you never can tell where we might show up ... LOL

Ron