Mustang and Fairlane AHFS
 

Whats up with the 390 Mustang and Fairlane getting horsepower ?

Kirk

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Are you talking about the replacement head acceptance or the fact that RJ gave Danny the bird?

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how much did they get and when!

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I just talked to Pat Cvengros (sp?) at NHRA and he told me they don't have the HP yet but they were headed for a HP hit on Jun 30 if the average they now have is maintained. He also affirmed that the Mustang and Fairlane (Comet & Cougar) were all considered the same platform and are lumped together.

Looks like a 7hp hit unless we get them under control at the few remaining races left, before june 30tht. I know that I will take care of my car, as will my brother and his car.

Just because some Old Meathead with a Red 67 Fairlane let his ego get the best of him. Man, what a Dum-ss!!

Anybody that runs this combo be warned.....you are in control of your own situation!!

IndyChamp02

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thanks for the info.

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Hmm..Mustang and Fairlane the same platform? Is that right? Anybody know if the Sledgehammer was running the 319 or the 327 combo?

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Rusty

The Meathead is running the 327 combo. What hurts us is we also have a 319 hp combo that Nolan Grier drives so we are trying to slow it down also. Pat said that the 319 combo (mustang and Fairlane) was also up there, not sure exactly sure where, but that combo could also be on the Hit list.

I asked Pat twice about lumping the Mustang and Fairlane combos together and he said its been that way from before he went to work for NHRA.

You need to contact anybody running the 319 combo and tell them whats happening.

Send me your phone number please.

Rusty

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PM sent

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that can't be wright mustang and fairlane. if that was the case LS1 corvette would be hit for the camaro and firebird running the same combo they must have hit it twice in each car.

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Just like they lump the 67-69 Camaro's and the 66-69 Nova's on the same platform. I can't understand why the 66 and 67 Nova's are considered the same platform as the Camaro. Nothing interchanges.

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c rap by the time I get my Fairlane going again I'm going to have spend a few dollars....

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Wasnt Meathead in All in the Family ! That does not describe R J. That would have to be another thread.

Kirk

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Is it true that the six cyl. Mustangs were built using a Falcon platform (four lug wheels), and the V8 Mustangs were build on the Fairlane platform ( five lug wheels)?

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Somebody needs go work on their stuff.

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Larry, I think you are right.

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Obviously being halfway around the world I've missed out on some stuff, but could somebody tell me why these combo's are flagged? Being that I'm hoping to be out with you all next year I would really like to understand this system better. Now I know that if a combo goes -1.2 or more under its automatic but I'm fuzzy at best on the rest. Also how are they coming up with a 7 hp hit?

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I believe that instead of calling RJ an "Old Meathead", you should consider it as a fact that at his age, he might had a "Freudian Slip" :D ...and he forgot to read the memo sent to him to remember to adjust the throttle stop... :D
...it happens to Mr. Teuton once in a while and the reason why he keeps a cooler with the appropriate beverages required to maintain a healthy brain and memory! :)

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Mustangs and Fairlanes have diferent motor mounts,diferent shock towers,and cannot tie frames together with Mustang bolt in items.It's like comparing the 68 Camaro to the 68 Nova.

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This is funny. Most people get mad when they think the new cars are sandbagging, and now are getting mad that the old combo's aren't. Lol
Chuck

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x2 lol

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Chuck, you are a wise man and a keen observer. Let's everybody fight. Old vs Old, New vs New, Old vs New, people with no car vs people with cars; no car vs no car. I need more beverages. I heard Jessee Kershaw was going to mediate this thing, but that could be not true.

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Tell me about it. LOL

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Jeff, I still need to pick up my books.

Edit: I'll let R.J. borrow them too. LOL

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I apologize for the Meathead remark, It was a joke, LOL. I understand he is in Alaska fishing and no phone service.

He is due back Monday or Tuesday according to his wife.

Hope everyone running the 390 Combos will take heed and keep your Q and E runs in line.

I am like everyone else and mixed up about thinking the Mustang and Fairlane are in the same box for figuring HP, just doesn't seem right. We need some .038 unders to help our cause.

Thanks

Rusty

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The way I read the first couple of posts it appears to me the Fairlanes are grouped with the Comets and the Mustangs are grouped with the Cougars.
That would seem appropriate.

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Just an FYI:

"Runs of .350 and slower are not included in calculating the engine or class/engine averages."

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Santa brings all the good parts: cams , cranks , carbs, rods , heads, intake, horsepower lower than stock and then you bitch. Ink makes 'em fast and ink slows 'em down.

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Mr Hill

No body was bit-hing, we were concerned about the average and getting HP. Its the same thing that Mark Faul did a couple of years ago with the 396 stocker combo. I did not hear you saying anything then. We are doing what anybody else would do, including yourself. I am not upset with the situation, just want everybody that runs a 390 in a Fairlane and Mustang to understand .

No need to blast us about something we never ask for. You would do the same I believe

Good Luck the rest of the year and we all appreciate what you and Patsy do with the reporting from the races.

Rusty

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lol!

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Toby, you do great work! We all miss what you do. We hope to see you somewhere.

Rusty, I tried to do my part on keeping the 390 average down. In staging before first round at No Problem I reminded RJ that the dial he put on his window was over 1.00 second under the index. You, Kelly and family have a good summer.

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Yea that would really suck for this combo to take a hit. C and D are already fast enough for me as it is. I know Steven and I will do everything in our power to lower the avg. I'll make sure RJ does the same, gotta remember he's old and forgets things

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Just curious, can the same car and driver run fast at one event and then slower at another event to lower the average?? I just dont know how the system works.

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yes

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It is confusing, but the way I have heard and read is that they take your fastest "Q" run, and then the remaining "C" runs (if the race has Class Runoffs) and then every run from the "E". "Q" is Qualifying, "C" is Class and "E" is Eliminator. Only runs quicker than .350 under the index will be included in the Averaging. If the Average is over .850 under the Combo in question will get HP.

I am a little confused about the other things.

Any help is appreciated.

Rusty

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Every class run counts?

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You have it pretty much all right, but there are some refinements. The first round of "Class" is factored in the Qualifying column if it is ran since that is technically the last round of Qualifying. Still, the quickest run applies for the Qualifying/1st Rd of Class.

Then all of the Elimination runs are counted. The Qualifying run and Eliminations runs are now calculated.

There is an "engine average" and a "Class average" that is also calculated. Take my combo for example. I am a natural "B/SA" car. There are a lot of my combos run around the country so moving the engine average is like turning a supertanker. Not real easy.

Thus we can have several triggers, but the engine average generally stays well below the .85 point of getting HP. Most of us run in C/SA (or D/SA for the Camaros). However, we could have someone get crazy in B/SA and put the average at .86 then we ALL get a HP gift.

The bottom line of the AHFS is that it looks for the most narrow of circumstances to raise the HP on combos. You can run yourself to death getting the average down in your combo in your class, but be aware of some fast car hitting it in another class.

Edited to add: I know some guys get all lathered up when a combo gets a trigger, but any good combo can get one. Take the combo that Ed Wright and Gary Emmons run in SS. The aluminum head LT1 is one of the more popular combos and most of them seem to run in SS/JA. Ed's car is pretty quick because he works hard on it. It matters not if he gets a look because you can count on that combo getting a look at every period. There are too many cars running in SS/JA including Stockers (running SS/JA) like mine that keep the average down. A look isn't the end of the world, pay attention to the average before you get upset.

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Round 2 and beyond in Class count in the Elimination column.

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Correct.
Your fastest Q run (only one off the final qualifing sheet) and all E runs count.

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Is there a way to find out what NHRA has for your engine and class average for your combo?