Pure Stock Challange - Ohio May 2014
 

Been talking to Mike Beard about a Pure Stock Challenge next May in Columbus Ohio.
There is already a major IHRA Sportsman race scheduled for that day.
It is fairly central to a lot of states and daring opportunity for the long haulers.

The plan is to have a Class Elimination Run Offs
There are 9 Pure Stock Classes.
My company is willing put some skin in the game.

Mike was telling me there maybe a huge U/SA Challenge as well.
Seems to be a very popular class of cars competing which would be very cool.

So would like feedback and anyone wanting to add to the pot.

Here is my pledge, since there are 9 Pure Stock classes.
My company will donate $900 purse money for a $75/$25 Win/RUP Money.
Not a lot but a $100 for each Class. More would help.

Then Mike suggested maybe having a Pure Stock only race-off of all the Pure Stock Classes.
So if anyone wanted to donate some money to bring up the Purse winnings.
Here is an opportunity help bring in more entries.

In fact this would be a cool opportunity for all the Sportsman Classes.
Sponsors for each class.

Another thought, combine all the independent S/SS Series with representatives pitting each Series against each other for S/SS World Champion bragging rights. Each Series tossing in some money for a pot.

The objective is to create the biggest and best multi-opportunity Sportsman Challenge race ever in drag racing. Plus the POINTS MEET.

Which means pledging donations from all kinds of organizations and individuals to increase the Purses and excitement.

Hell video tape put it on TV taking a few sessions away from Pinks All Out.

Your 2 cents is appreciated.

Dan

Re: Pure Stock Challange - Ohio May 2014
 

The Northern Class Nationals is not "an IHRA Sportsman race". It is an independent Stock and Super Stock national event in which both NHRA and IHRA classes are welcome. It will be contested at an NHRA facility, National Trail Raceway in Hebron, OH, just east of Columbus, May 2-4, 2014.


Thanks for your commitment, Dan!

Class Eliminations for *all* Stock and Super Stock classes will take place on Friday, May 2, 2014. There will be high quality "Iron Tree" trophies for all Class winners. Following Class Eliminations, we will be running a pair of Quick 32 CIC races, one for Stock and one for Super Stock. Saturday will feature more qualifying, a $3K-to-win S/SS Combo, and Racer Appreciation Party, and then on Sunday, a $5K Stock Eliminator and $5K Super Stock Eliminator. We will have tech, scales, fuel check, and heads-up runs if applicable, as with any normal Divisional or National event.


Jack McCarthy and Terry Bell have already offered up money for a U/SA shootout. Other sponsors are welcome for this or any other class(es) (just like the A/S shootout that was put together at Indy last year). We'll publish it on the flyer, and all awards go right to the racers.


This was discussed on the Class Nationals event planning thread, and is something we have decided not to get into this first year. There's a tremendous amount of planning and complexity to the event, and we want to make sure that our first one goes as smoothly as possible. We'll consider additions/deletions/adjustments to the program for the following year once we get this one under our belt.


We have already announced that we have contracted Mark Walter from DragStory.com and MotorManiaTV.com to provide fully produced 4-camera Live streaming video coverage of the event. We will have the ability to display banner ads on the Live webpage as well as cut in TV commercials from the higher level sponsors if provided.

You can keep up with all the announcements regarding the event on the original thread at: http://classracer.com/classforum/showthread.php?t=44467

Re: Pure Stock Challange - Ohio May 2014
 

I would like to be the 2nd person to thank Dan for the commitment to put up money for the PS class payouts.

Sounds like a great idea.
There's no way I could win the I/PS class, but it would be cool to enter.
Heck, I still have the stock 1995 torque convertor in the car.

IMO, the Pure Stock class is the essence of entry level class racing. Very restricted rules and few options available makes the challenge even more fun.

Now....if I could only figure out how to get 2 cars to the event...:)

Re: Pure Stock Challange - Ohio May 2014
 

YODA says.......PUT a CONVETER in IT :D

Re: Pure Stock Challange - Ohio May 2014
 

Bullet cams & converters isn't what pure stock used to be.

Re: Pure Stock Challange - Ohio May 2014
 

Glad to see interest in pure stock, I would be interested in some sponsorship for P/S runoffs. Lloyd Riley RCE machine works.

Re: Pure Stock Challange - Ohio May 2014
 

:)COOL...

Thanks Lloyd

Will forward to Mike Beard...

Ed Wright:
Good point but Neither is STOCK ---STOCK

STOCK today is more like SS without the monster cam and porting!!

My car has a Bullet Cam specs out legal using Stock Valve Springs.
BUT drive the car to the track and get 20mpg.

Can you do that with your Stocker ?? :)

Dan

Re: Pure Stock Challange - Ohio May 2014
 

My pure stocker has Bullet cam that meets specs for lift,duration,and overlap,and valve springs check on stock specs also 80 lbs@1.710 /160 @1.??? that # got pushed out by new info have to look up,LOL
I think converter rule was hard to enforce,used to be stock then went to 2500 stall then changed to no rule on stall..
Mike Taylor 3601

Re: Pure Stock Challange - Ohio May 2014
 

IHRA Pure Stock rules have been largely unchanged for many years.

Aftermarket camshafts are permitted, but "must check on or under factory specs for lift, duration, and overlap." Transmissions must be stock, unaltered, except for shift kit. Aftermarket converters are allowed.

IHRA Rulebook is available online, see Pure Stock on page 47-48: http://www.mydigitalpublication.com/...tion/?i=136499


donc - thanks for your support! Will send you a PM.

Re: Pure Stock Challange - Ohio May 2014
 

NHRA had pure stock before IHRA existed. They were pure stock. Didn't last long. No much participation then either.

Dan, I don't have a stocker. Have no desire to drive what I do have on the street.

It used to be a nine second NA street car that still got close to 20 mpg. :-)

Re: Pure Stock Challange - Ohio May 2014
 

LOL.....

YEAH remember it well, ran Pure Stock in 19(oh)73
Then the Blueprinted cams replaced that because of creative cheating.
Which is basically what we have today as Pure Stock..


But you make a point.
Heck the new Mustangs can run a 9 second ET and can get 20mpg.
Just need a Supercharger..

Dan

Re: Pure Stock Challange - Ohio May 2014
 

I didn't need a supercharger.

Re: Pure Stock Challange - Ohio May 2014
 

Impressive.
Just curious: What RPM did that 9 second N/A engine idle at ?

Re: Pure Stock Challange - Ohio May 2014
 

1200.
Still hanging on an engine stand out in the shop. Want to buy it?

Re: Pure Stock Challange - Ohio May 2014
 

How many tech guys really know HOW to check duration and overlap......LOL. Not only that but the tech specs on most newer cars do NOT even list duration and overlap specs or valve spring pressures.

Re: Pure Stock Challange - Ohio May 2014
 

Red Anderson made some slick tools for that. He was quite the machinist. He checked mine several times. Those Lunati and General Kinetics "cheater cams" we ran back then looked like the roller cams we run now: lobes were flat across the top. LOL

Take away the light pistons and we had present day "pure stock" engines, it sounds like.

Re: Pure Stock Challange - Ohio May 2014
 

I met Red when I first worked for the NHRA. It WAS a good organation back in the early 70's for those who are to young to know or remember. I still have my 2 piece degree wheel I got from Red for checking cams and a cpl. of other things. He was a sharp man. 2 other greats were Marty Barrett and Greg X. They were good to me and showed me a lot.

Re: Pure Stock Challange - Ohio May 2014
 

That two piece, adjustable degree wheel was a slick deal. His little magnetic based, folding pointer was neat too.
First time Red tore me down for a record (The new Dallas track in Lewisville) he wouldn't let Carroll Caudle watch him check the cam. Carroll had machined my block, and did the "trick" (at the time) valve job, and built a lot of engines. Carroll helped me take it apart. I think Red thought Carroll did the whole engine. Made him go stand about 50' away while he checked everything. LOL
Guess he didn't want Carroll figuring how to slip something by. Had me scared to death! LOL
I could have threaded a running sewing machine.
After that tear downs seemed a lot more informal. Red would actually joke around during checking it. Think some of it was to make me squirm. He got to be a friend.

Re: Pure Stock Challange - Ohio May 2014
 

I remember the McElroy Grind which got me bounced at Atlanta.

It was square topped to.

My Bullet Cam is mild in comparison yet requires Stock Spring pressures.
So you cannot go to wild.

D

Re: Pure Stock Challange - Ohio May 2014
 

We had to run stock spring pressure too. General Kinetics cam was my fastest. Spring eater. GM springs = two races. TRW springs = three races, sometimes four. My engine ('56 Chevy) was the 2-4bl 225 hp Corvette engine, solid lifters. The GK cam used .003" lash. Last pass of the day, check the lash before loading up to verify everything was up to temp.

Re: Pure Stock Challange - Ohio May 2014
 

YEAH had a General Kinetics cam too ..wow are they still in business?

My 1969 Impala 350/255 with a Woodro Built engine had a Lunati Cam he recommended.
Someone stole that engine.

At any rate that car is going for a full "cost too much money" restoration.
But it has been a Stocker since I bought it from Bob LaSala in 1975.

Budd Rowe built up a engine and think it has a cam from the 70's.
Only made 371 hp on the dyno. Used a set of GM Pinks Rods.
Bob Bender says he has a cam that I maybe interested in.

Glad it is a frame off because that frame had cracks in it.
Mostly small spots and needed patching in the Axle and Spring Pirtch areas.

D

Re: Pure Stock Challange - Ohio May 2014
 

No I don't think GK has been around in quite some time. As far as spring eaters, My old E car (68 302 Camaro) cam Dynamics cam would destroy springs every third pass. Out it came

Re: Pure Stock Challange - Ohio May 2014
 

That would be tough to afford, besides the work. I'd pull it too. Dang!

Re: Pure Stock Challange - Ohio May 2014
 

I have heard a lot about Springs getting eaten up by the Blueprinted Cams.
Back then we had to use Stock Spring pressure.
Never had a problem with the 929 Chevy cams for the 350/250/255/300

What was happening ?

D

Re: Pure Stock Challange - Ohio May 2014
 

Only spintron I ever heard about back then was the one Buddy Morrison built . "spin fixture" is what I remember them calling it. Commercially built units people buy now are powered by electric motors. What they built was a SBC (no pistons) powered by a 460" Ford engine, running at a 2-1 overdrive. 5K for the 460" was 10k (DUH! LOL) for the sbc mockup, which is about what guys were turning them back then. I don't remember if they loaned it to Cam Dynamics, or Comp. But, that was the first time I heard of valve springs smoking. Think it was Gordon Holloway telling me about seeing that. It was during valve float.

Harmonics was killing stock valve springs. That is all we were allowed to run.

Re: Pure Stock Challange - Ohio May 2014
 

So the Harmonics were hurting the Springs or were they heating up changing the yield and losing spring pressure or both?

D

Re: Pure Stock Challange - Ohio May 2014
 

Here's my pure stocker picture Dan
Mike Taylor 3601