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There was a surprise waiting for the Crate Motor racers in Stock eliminator this past weekend. After going thru tech we,as well as all other Crate Motor Stockers , were asked to pull off a valve cover to check cylinder head numbers. No one was bounced.Good to see they are looking at some of this stuff.
Jeff Ross

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:) im glad of that

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hope they come to NC :eek:

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They need to look at bottom end not top.

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They did the same thing to us at Bradenton this year. Half of the cars checked were non-crate motored cars though (including me). Everybody was good. Good to see this! Jim


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I believe Jim Woods has been a driving force in getting back to spot-checking cars. Jim will be one of the Tech officials at the Northern Class Nationals next spring, along with Danny Waters, Sr. and NHRA Div. 3's Donald Braun. (and probably 1 or 2 more guys)

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Can you cheat on a bracket motor?

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Only if it's a FE Larry. (-:

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They did they checked them at the Dunn- Benson pro - am first race of the year for D9

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didn't know that Brandon,how many did they ck?

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Crate motors have engine spec sheets like every other Stocker. They are available at http://www.ihra.com/cratemotors/

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Sterling, I thought IHRA said as long as the piston had the right configuration for the HP claimed they did not care what was done to the bottom end. NHRA has had some piston parties and I have not seen where any combinations have slowed down as a result. Most NHRA racers have been going faster.

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Top 5 qualifiers I believe.

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Sterling,
Bring a $1000.00 to Piedmont at the end of the month and I'll be glad to let you look
at the short block ! Why would you even say that ?
The Fast Crate Motor Guy's would be fast in any stock class,,, They work hard on their cars !!

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Hey you still have to run your number right and cut a light RIGHT LOL:)

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Sterling,

You are right , also PS should be checked & torn down ? If they pay to play and win the same amount of money then they should be part of every-teardown ... If you Win you should teardown along with RU.
IHRA should invite everyone at least once a year to teardown ? Then everyone can see how much Fun it is when it's 95 degress ? I also agree with Jeff Ross , they need to start looking at more Cars / things ??

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No disrespect but I think sterling was refering to all cars not just crate motors and the fact that just looking at numbers is not enough. I could have the right number heads on it but nothing else legal but the number. Itsa start though.

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So a crate motor car is a bracket car?.....

This is the same old song and dance I have seen on here for years....

I guess a fast CM car is illegal...
Why isn't a FI car or a natural car that's fast be considered illegal...

Why don't we suggest the fastest CM car and the fastest FI car , PS, and natural classed car tear down at every race from now on.. Then we can all see what's done in the bottom end of those cars....

I'm not implying that every crate motor car is legal or illegal but u can't guarantee that the other classed cars are also....

We have put a stock meaning out of a street car short block with junkyard untouched vortec heads and a aluminum intake with a Holley 750 and went 6.80s at 3200 lbs would not run good in the 1/4 mile with me it went 11.07 but with a 130 lb driver it went 10.56....

As far as tech between N and I,,, no difference besides N looks at the same car and same stuff everytime u go to a race IHRA just does it at the first of the year...

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Brandon you hit it on the head,if they are going to tear them down at every race I would just stay at home. Hell you still gotta drive um

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We checked the top 5 qualifiers for 1st round.. but did not check til 2nd round qualifying ..They were told (at the scales)to come to tech and be prepared to pull valve cover. In those 5 were 2 regular stockers......We checked carb #'s on the crate motors also...all were good...So if i was running stock , i would make sure i was right ,,,,,,,,,,,,,you never know when or what will be checked.....Also would like to thank the racers for their cooperation on this surprise check....

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Let me see if I understand, a crate motor stocker is a bracket car but a late model Mustang with a 428, 351 etc.. is a "real" stocker.

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Word

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they checked some regular stockers too I believe.
I qualify no where near the top 5 and they asked to look at mine.

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Don't forget the blower on top. Lol

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Classracerfan the 428, 352 late model Mustangs are catalog crate motors GT/ SS cars. If you can not buy plates for the car with that engine it is not a stocker!

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???
NHRA has them listing the 428 and 352 as legal Stockers.
Are these legal in IHRA ?


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Having to pull the valve covers and checking for cylinder head casting numbers????

Man.....thats scary right there!!!

RJ

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I suggested to Mike Baker that I would drive anywhere to get Teched and Certified. He said to contact Hank Blankenship who would do that.
I did call, but passed away.

Made another suggestion.

Set up Tech Days where Tech Officials come together on weekends and locations to just tech cars and certify.

Reducing the anxiety of last minute tear down/rebuilds for a race.

D

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You mean to tell me those new mustangs are Bracket motor cars.....wtf

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Well, they sure are different from Stockers that have been around since the beginning of the class. If it walks like a duck, etc. Then NHRA tech wants to act like it knows what its doing and being so "correct" as to gripe about ZL2 hoods on 255hp '69 Camaros. Where's the integrity? "Remove the plank from your own eye, then you can help your brother remove the speck from his."

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How many cars came with dart blocks???

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I am assuming you are talking about a license plate. If so, I have a question(a legit question, not a smart a-- question) because I don't know. Are/were the engines(block, heads, intake, etc...) that are in the Drag Pak Dodges available in a car with plates? Oh, and by the way, thanks to the Hill's for the "live from" reports. I don't know how you have time to race and report at the same time but, it's great when us stuck at home folks can't be there.

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Crate motor cars are still under factored. We got a short block from advance auto, put the stocker camshaft in it had a set of heads that got a 3 angle valve job, put the words biggest p.o.s intake (torker 2) that was ever made and ran the car 130 pounds heavy and ran it with more problems than anyone could imagine. Still .450 under. Try to do that with a traditional stocker and see how far off the index you are.

Problems with tear downs is you have NO time with the two day races to pull anyone apart. Flat out, unless they MAKE a racer show up on friday and tear down its simply not going to happen.

Now tear down on pure stockers, Honestly (and Danny Sr and I have spoke about this in length, so no disrespect to any of the officals) but WHO knows how to accurately check lift, overlap, and duration along with spring pressure on any pure stockers. Now i sat out for 3 years and at the few races ive been at this year (some watching) theres alot of pure stockers running around sounding like regular stockers of today. I was around back in the day and still remember what they are suppose to sound like, and there is a bunch that are wrong. Some even in the wrong class, that i believe.

Now that ive voiced my opinion, ill apply for the head tech inspector for IHRA stock and super stock. The only issue is i believe alot of people wont like the outcome.

Lil Duane

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I remember when IHRA ran a 32 car qualified field at it's national events and they tore us all down( pull head) at every event. When you went to tear down it was usually the same 28 chevys, a cobra jet, a hemi mopar and a couple AMC's. The same was true for NHRA and it's class winners. A real pain when their seal on motor had not been broken from the previous race.

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Pittsburgh was a points race, not a National event, I don't remember NHRA having tear down at points races other than for setting a record?
Now National events is a differant story, I have been to alot of those tear down parties
Say what you want, IHRA is a fun time for a guy that can't take a week off to go to a race.
It reminds me of the good old Saturday night grass root racing at Utica Rome, Spencer,Fulton,,,
My son drives now, I just love the people,dialing the car in and watching Stock and Super Stock !!

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Teardown at NHRA national events is nonexistent anymore. At Gainesville I went fast enough to get 2 tenths off my index. I went to Danny and asked if he wanted to see anything. He said we will let you know tomorrow (eliminations day). My car is a simple pump it teardown. And they didn't even do that.

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Don't forget - no traction issues either. I can't recall the last time I heard anyone complain about traction at an IHRA event. That's all we've heard about NHRA races, oh and at what about $100 more per event. Money well spent, keep supporting someone who just sticks it where the sun don't shine. Instead of dragging the Pittsbugh event out until the weather cooperated the organizers buckeled down with the help of the participants and got 2 days of racing packed into one day!!!

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Exactly !! :)

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But, did they check to see if the numbers come off with a chisel, almost as if they were made of epoxy?