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fredjohnston 06-05-2013 01:51 PM

Who didn't see this coming? - Barton
 
NHRA Levies Fines Against Participant
The NHRA imposed a two thousand five hundred ($2,500) fine against David Barton for violating NHRA Rules, particularly Section 1.3.1 of the 2013 NHRA Rulebook on Participant Conduct at the recently completed Toyota NHRA Summernationals at Old Bridge Township Raceway Park in Englishtown, N.J. Barton engaged in inappropriate behavior and used profanity after receiving instructions from NHRA’s Chief Starter to return to his vehicle and exit the race track during the second round of eliminations. Barton also is required to formally apologize to NHRA’s Chief Starter for his unacceptable sportsmanship. Any further incidents will result in additional disciplinary action up to, and including, suspension of competition privileges. The fine must be paid in full prior to Barton being eligible to participate at any future NHRA events. The fine is appealable, as outlined in section 1, pages 16-23 of the 2013 NHRA Rulebook.


Should take up a collection and pay this.

Dave Crouchet 06-05-2013 02:16 PM

Re: Who didn't see this coming? - Barton
 
I would pay it in pennies if I was Barton.





Just my .02 cents!

Byron Worner 06-05-2013 02:22 PM

Re: Who didn't see this coming? - Barton
 
Can the racers levy a fine against NHRA for not supplying us with the proper racing surface? This is BS that a guy, who spun his *** off on a sub par National Event track, can't vent a little for NHRA failing to establish the proper racing surface. Just my opinion.

l88427 06-05-2013 02:26 PM

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How about a fine to NHRA for usafe track preparation! Barton had every right to voice his opinion... mabe someone should have wrecked their car or worse to get their attention .

Chad Rhodes 06-05-2013 02:40 PM

Re: Who didn't see this coming? - Barton
 
So counterfeit SFI tags cost $5000, words cost $2500. NHRA should have refunded hi entry, not fined him

jmcarter 06-05-2013 02:42 PM

Re: Who didn't see this coming? - Barton
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by l88427 (Post 384772)
... mabe someone should have wrecked their car or worse to get their attention .

And you think they would have done anything differently? You can tell from Barton's recent posts that he is still hot. Think the apology will be the tough part to swallow. Think the starter apologized to all the racers that lost because of the track? You think the Pro Stock guys don't bit.. at the starter when the tracks are always prepped for the fuel cars regardless of what they need? Sure they do, but they make clutch and other changes to compensate. If class racers are going to play by NHRA's rules then they've got to be prepared to do the same.

1320racer 06-05-2013 02:45 PM

Re: Who didn't see this coming? - Barton
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by l88427 (Post 384772)
How about a fine to NHRA for usafe track preparation! Barton had every right to voice his opinion... mabe someone should have wrecked their car or worse to get their attention .

dead on with a zero!

When are you guys going to wake up out of your coma and stand united?

Superfan1 06-05-2013 02:48 PM

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This fine is pure Bullsh**!!!

Pete Beau 06-05-2013 02:49 PM

Re: Who didn't see this coming? - Barton
 
I'll contribute to the " like what Barton did " fund :-)

Keith 944 06-05-2013 03:36 PM

Re: Who didn't see this coming? - Barton
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Byron Worner (Post 384770)
Can the racers levy a fine against NHRA for not supplying us with the proper racing surface? This is BS that a guy, who spun his *** off on a sub par National Event track, can't vent a little for NHRA failing to establish the proper racing surface. Just my opinion.

X 2 !
this is an unacceptable practice. NHRA should have a safe, fair place to race, not a skating rink. more people will wreck or be killed on these unsafe tracks! NHRA "dedicated to safety", Right.....

David Barton 06-05-2013 04:08 PM

Re: Who didn't see this coming? - Barton
 
I already wrecked this car before due to poor track prep. At the 2011 Dutch Classic, my car owner asked the starter to check out our lane because the track looked funny on one side of the lane after the snowmobiles ran. The starter looked over and ignored to check it out for himself. Seconds later I stuffed it into the wall. It went straight for the center line and I tried to steer it back but it got away from me.

And keep in mind my car owner never would have stopped me after the burnout unless there was something wrong.

Here's the video. http://smg.photobucket.com/user/HVY2...ARTON.mp4.html

At Englishtown my car owner asked the starter if he could drag the track to do something about the bald spots. His reply was that there wasn't enough time because they had a schedule to stick to. Boy, we feel really important. I paid my entry fee didn't I?

BTW, I'm taking donations to pay for this fine if anyone is feeling generous. I'm 33 years old and I'm trying to support my family. The last thing I have is $2500 to pay for this absurd fine for trying to speak up.

And one more thing. The letter I received mentioned several times about how they want to keep everything at a professional level. How is neglecting the starting line being professional? And how professional was the starting line crew when they were flat out ignoring everyone. People were even getting booted off the line for looking at it. If the track was any good nobody would bother to look ahead of time.

1320racer 06-05-2013 04:35 PM

Re: Who didn't see this coming? - Barton
 
David, I applaud you for having the balls to let them know how you felt about those deplorable track conditions. IMO everyone that spun should make a donation towards paying your fine, for you verbalizing on the track to the officials how they too felt. Better yet EVERY sportsman class racer that competed at this event should stand with you and tell the NHRA to reverse the fine as well the call for an apology.

charlie westcott 06-05-2013 05:19 PM

Re: Who didn't see this coming? - Barton
 
I am really surprised they didnt give you the anderson fine also for removing safety equipment.

keith ohanesian 06-05-2013 05:19 PM

Re: Who didn't see this coming? - Barton
 
David put your paypal account info up. I'll even throw in some flip cup money..

Bobby Fazio 06-05-2013 05:38 PM

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Post your Paypal info.

Ed Carpenter 06-05-2013 05:41 PM

Re: Who didn't see this coming? - Barton
 
If it was Schumacher or Force do you think there would have been a fine? If you do then your one of the NHRA kool aid drinkers.

Mark Yacavone 06-05-2013 05:52 PM

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NHRA>>>>

http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p...psb526a1f7.jpg

boostedf22c 06-05-2013 05:55 PM

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Don't forget your "formal apology" to NHRA's chief starter. :)

http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/...sbf2d493a.jpeg

Chad Rhodes 06-05-2013 06:00 PM

Re: Who didn't see this coming? - Barton
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by boostedf22c (Post 384827)
Don't forget your "formal apology" to NHRA's chief starter. :)

http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/...sbf2d493a.jpeg

That's awesome

FED 387 06-05-2013 06:05 PM

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WOW!!!! thats great---maybe we all should apologize en mass

Dave Crouchet 06-05-2013 06:45 PM

Re: Who didn't see this coming? - Barton
 
Was`nt espn continually talking about the bike jockeys goin at in the pits. did they get fined? did they get suspended. if they didn't we are looking at a one sided organization still.






Glad to be an ex-racer.

Frank Castros 06-05-2013 07:59 PM

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Apologize?
Just don't patronize NHRA anymore, just like the fans didn't at Englishtown.






Quote:

Originally Posted by FED 387 (Post 384831)
WOW!!!! thats great---maybe we all should apologize en mass


Julie Jordan 06-05-2013 08:46 PM

Re: Who didn't see this coming? - Barton
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Crouchet (Post 384841)
Was`nt espn continually talking about the bike jockeys goin at in the pits. did they get fined? did they get suspended. if they didn't we are looking at a one sided organization still.






Glad to be an ex-racer.

http://nhra.com/story/2013/6/5/disci...n-englishtown/

Tom Meyer 06-05-2013 08:59 PM

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I would more than happy to give Dave money for the fine, But would also give more to his appeal and legal fees to bring the treatment of sportsman racers safaty just to keep on time. I am sure there are vidios , other racers statements going all the way back to the winters to bring this to a head.Many racers where put in a unsafe situation on more than one time due to poor track prep. Maybe they realy don,t know after all they realy are not racers and they do not know what it takes for a sportsman racer to get to there inhanced show. There meger attemp to raise monies with fines lately to make up on lost revenews shows there desperation to make ends meet. I am sure weather has hit there pocket book with houston and atlanta hard with lost income. { Ken how about getting spell check on here?} Tom

Jared Jordan 06-05-2013 09:14 PM

Re: Who didn't see this coming? - Barton
 
I can't help but wonder how NHRA would've handled it if, when Stock/SS were called to the lanes, all the competitors drove right past the staging director and parked on the track in protest.

jmantle 06-05-2013 09:32 PM

Re: Who didn't see this coming? - Barton
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by David Barton (Post 384810)
I already wrecked this car before due to poor track prep. At the 2011 Dutch Classic, my car owner asked the starter to check out our lane because the track looked funny on one side of the lane after the snowmobiles ran. The starter looked over and ignored to check it out for himself. Seconds later I stuffed it into the wall. It went straight for the center line and I tried to steer it back but it got away from me.

And keep in mind my car owner never would have stopped me after the burnout unless there was something wrong.

Here's the video. http://smg.photobucket.com/user/HVY2...ARTON.mp4.html

At Englishtown my car owner asked the starter if he could drag the track to do something about the bald spots. His reply was that there wasn't enough time because they had a schedule to stick to. Boy, we feel really important. I paid my entry fee didn't I?

BTW, I'm taking donations to pay for this fine if anyone is feeling generous. I'm 33 years old and I'm trying to support my family. The last thing I have is $2500 to pay for this absurd fine for trying to speak up.

And one more thing. The letter I received mentioned several times about how they want to keep everything at a professional level. How is neglecting the starting line being professional? And how professional was the starting line crew when they were flat out ignoring everyone. People were even getting booted off the line for looking at it. If the track was any good nobody would bother to look ahead of time.

I think a fair deal is apologize to the starter as he was probably just doing as he was told, NHRA drops the fine as there was obviously issues with the track.

Jim Mantle

Jim Cimarolli 06-05-2013 09:46 PM

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I wouldn't pay the rotten ******ds a dime.

Michael Beard 06-05-2013 10:16 PM

Re: Who didn't see this coming? - Barton
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jared Jordan (Post 384879)
I can't help but wonder how NHRA would've handled it if, when Stock/SS were called to the lanes, all the competitors drove right past the staging director and parked on the track in protest.

147 * $2,500 = $367,500.... "No problem!" :rolleyes:

HR9121 06-05-2013 10:24 PM

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Just curious, does anyone know what they do with the money that is collected for these fines that they are levying on these racers?

KRatcliff 06-05-2013 10:38 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by HR9121 (Post 384902)
Just curious, does anyone know what they do with the money that is collected for these fines that they are levying on these racers?

It funds John Force's voice coach.

Ed Carpenter 06-05-2013 10:40 PM

Re: Who didn't see this coming? - Barton
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jared Jordan (Post 384879)
I can't help but wonder how NHRA would've handled it if, when Stock/SS were called to the lanes, all the competitors drove right past the staging director and parked on the track in protest.

Probably a fine and a 1 year suspension. The first problem you would have is some wouldn't have the guts(ill use that word) to do it. If you think I wouldn't you don't know me to well.

John Duzac 06-05-2013 10:42 PM

Re: Who didn't see this coming? - Barton
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by David Barton (Post 384810)
I already wrecked this car before due to poor track prep. At the 2011 Dutch Classic, my car owner asked the starter to check out our lane because the track looked funny on one side of the lane after the snowmobiles ran. The starter looked over and ignored to check it out for himself. Seconds later I stuffed it into the wall. It went straight for the center line and I tried to steer it back but it got away from me.

And keep in mind my car owner never would have stopped me after the burnout unless there was something wrong.

Here's the video. http://smg.photobucket.com/user/HVY2...ARTON.mp4.html

At Englishtown my car owner asked the starter if he could drag the track to do something about the bald spots. His reply was that there wasn't enough time because they had a schedule to stick to. Boy, we feel really important. I paid my entry fee didn't I?

BTW, I'm taking donations to pay for this fine if anyone is feeling generous. I'm 33 years old and I'm trying to support my family. The last thing I have is $2500 to pay for this absurd fine for trying to speak up.

And one more thing. The letter I received mentioned several times about how they want to keep everything at a professional level. How is neglecting the starting line being professional? And how professional was the starting line crew when they were flat out ignoring everyone. People were even getting booted off the line for looking at it. If the track was any good nobody would bother to look ahead of time.

David, sorry about the mishap. I beleive as long as they keep using PJ1 traction compound the problem will continue. Conditions will get much worst when the track surface gets above 100. All you need to do is just walk on the starting line and see if your shoe sticks to the track???? I am sure you have experienced a track like that. Ever since they started using PJ1 the starting line has not been sticky. This is a real problem for high HP cars. At No Problem, when you would walk on the track, it would pull your shoes off! In 2013, I have not noticed my shoes coming off and bald spots a plenty. The only thing different is everyone is using PJ1! That's what I noticed.

HR9121 06-05-2013 10:47 PM

Re: Who didn't see this coming? - Barton
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by KRatcliff (Post 384907)
It funds John Force's voice coach.

They'll never get enough.

RACER1530 06-05-2013 10:49 PM

Re: Who didn't see this coming? - Barton
 
They don't want the track that sticky, it pulls the nitro cars tires apart.
In the past you almost never had this kind of problem, they changed something.
The summer nationals was always smoking hot!!!

Don Kennedy 06-05-2013 11:29 PM

Re: Who didn't see this coming? - Barton
 
I know I am not very smart but why can't the pros with their 20 employees on the starting line figure out how to get down the track with a Pro Stock and Sportsman prep?

boostedf22c 06-06-2013 12:22 AM

Re: Who didn't see this coming? - Barton
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Crouchet (Post 384841)
Was`nt espn continually talking about the bike jockeys goin at in the pits. did they get fined? did they get suspended. if they didn't we are looking at a one sided organization still.

Looks like he was fined as well.

http://www.nhra.com/story/2013/6/5/d...n-englishtown/

Jim Wahl 06-06-2013 01:33 AM

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Boy with all these fines coming in 'Ol Compton will have quite a stash of beer money! Jim


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Ed Fernandez 06-06-2013 01:34 AM

Re: Who didn't see this coming? - Barton
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by HR9121 (Post 384902)
Just curious, does anyone know what they do with the money that is collected for these fines that they are levying on these racers?

Tom Compton's beer fund.

Jim Wahl 06-06-2013 01:41 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez (Post 384945)
Tom Compton's beer fund.

Or legal fees.:rolleyes:Jim


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Toby Lang 06-06-2013 04:31 AM

Re: Who didn't see this coming? - Barton
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by John Duzac (Post 384911)
David, sorry about the mishap. I beleive as long as they keep using PJ1 traction compound the problem will continue. Conditions will get much worst when the track surface gets above 100. All you need to do is just walk on the starting line and see if your shoe sticks to the track???? I am sure you have experienced a track like that. Ever since they started using PJ1 the starting line has not been sticky. This is a real problem for high HP cars. At No Problem, when you would walk on the track, it would pull your shoes off! In 2013, I have not noticed my shoes coming off and bald spots a plenty. The only thing different is everyone is using PJ1! That's what I noticed.


FYI, PJ1 is VHT, the manufacturer just changed the name:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PJ1_TrackBite


Here's a post by Jeff Foster from DRR:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Foster
Ok you win I have only raced or worked in the industry for 35 years. Yes I have driven, SC and 8 sec sportsman motorcycle.
All I was trying to do was set the record straight that NHRA uses PJ1 that is made by PJ Harvey's company that use to make VHT. not a VP product. PJ sold off his paint company that also used the VHT name and the name went with it, so he re-branded the traction glue to PJ1. If there are drums labeled VHT left out there they are at least 3 years old.
Yes NHRA did use VPs glue for a year, about 8 or 9 years ago they went back to VHT now PJ1 after that one year.
I'm sorry you've had an issue at LVMS, I have just taken the director job this January and have been working hard with our crew to bring back the track conditions to meet the high horsepower world of today's racing.

http://drr.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/t...426#2547096426


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