Stock Eliminator Indexes from 1972 to Present
 

When did NHRA start using Indexes instead of national Records?

Where and How can I get the Stock Index's for each year since that point?

D

Re: Stock Eliminator Indexes from 1972 to Present
 

1975...with the new "par" system.. A/Dragster was the fastest handicap class..so it was .00
then each slower class was a + number...indicating the spot given
1976 ,I believe , they were converted to an actual fixed time for traversing the quarter mile
(as in today's K/SA ; 12.65)

They went up .2 ,about 20 years ago , then down .3 , a few years back.
Basically ,they are about the same as almost 40 years ago.
But back then ,if you could run .3 under , you had a fast car.
.5 under, a rocketship !

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Dan,

I believe the index system as we know it. Came about in 1977. Which incidentily started to become the year when most tracks began switching from a class format to an almost exclusive bracket format.

1972 was the year I believe that Jr Stock was eliminated, the remaining "legal" cars laid the ground for Super Stock. The version of Stock we have today was morphed from a more pure version of what was once Stock. You're an old hand and know this as well (probably better) than I do. Of course we ran off National Records up to the age of the index.

Both systems have/had their drawbacks. With the system of today, a car must be able to run a second or more under, or you can forget competing on a national level. In the old days, a car had to be fast enough to run "real close" to the record or barely under. The real headache to that system was when someone would blow your record away. That could turn some really good cars into, essentialy useless heaps good for nothing but scrap. You still had smart guys who knew how to protect both their records and the combinations, as you still do today under the index system.

I have an old ND from 1979, bought it at a swap meet because it lists my buddies car when they set their last stock national record. I had the fortune to have put a lot of time in that car as well. So, it's my only claim to what it meant to set a record in those days. We set a number of them in both NHRA and IHRA in the mid 70's. If you want I could type the index's out and send them to you?

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Thanks Mark, always appreciate your explanation, can we expect a U/S at the U.S. Nationals from Arizona soon? Claude Ruel

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In the late 70's the B/SA index was 11.52.
Our 1970 Hemi Challenger convertable weighed 3910 with driver.

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And in 2009 B/SA was 11.55.

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I know that in May and June 1972 the O/Stock minimum was 17.4. Weight break was 24 lbs/hp., which is W/Stock today. But 6 's were allowed back then - today W/Stock is 4 cylinders only in NHRA.
I ran a best of 17.6 with my 65 Bel Air 4 door with a 230, which was good enough to win Stock Eliminator at Island one Saturday night.

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Wow thanks for the information.
Yes please send the indexes.

My G Pure Stocker index under NHRA would be 13.75.
About where Q/SA would be.
Wanted to see if they changed much over the years.
Do know HP changed back and forth.

Re: Stock Eliminator Indexes from 1972 to Present
 

Dan,

Here's the index as of March 1979. I also have a 1977 rule book, came from Dick Butler's shop. Tod got it for me last year. Rules then were pretty much what IHRA Pure Stock is today, with some exception maybe.

Another wrinkle to the old system, Maybe those with better memories than myself can confirm this. Occasionally, someone would set a record for a lower class. Causing some havoc forcing a lower class to spot a higher class. I may be wrong on this? I do know it has happened under the present system but the index nulled it for other cars in the class.

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In 1972 NHRA added the Stockers to Super Stock and expended the classes down to SS/U. In December 1971 I did the 9" tire test for Firestone at Gainesville with my SS/GA Mustang. I never expected to hook up with the 9" tire but to my surprise I went quicker on the 9" over the 11.5" Firestone.

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Today I met the famous Tom Gould of Corvair fame.
Just got to Darlington after driving 8 hours.

He is one of the unsung heros of Stock Eliminator.

His car stil runs under the index with a stock cam.

What a beautiful car he has too.

We need to rediscover our roots and brag about a bit of our past..

Tom is in super shape..too..hope to be as fit as him when I hit 21 again:D

D

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Two rules from Stock in 1972 ; max 10 years old , no trailers. ---Trevor

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In 1975 Z/SA index was 17.36 and 25lb/hp 6 Cyl allowed. I could run high 16's with my 65 Valiant 170 cid. Still have the car and engine. Just waiting for NHRA to allow the combo back into Z/SA :rolleyes:

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Dan,

Appreciate the kind words. Actually, the cam is a Lunati "pure stock" grind. It's been in there every since I built the engine in 1976. I won the X/S class at the 1976 NHRA Summernationals set the NHRA X/ Stock record in 1977, and then the car pretty much sat until I retired in 1996. I ran IHRA Pure Stock in 1997-98 until they dropped the lower Pure Stock classes in 1999.

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Hey Tom is is always a great experience to meet and talk to the old guard still racing.
Heard Bobby Warren was trying to race again.

There were 7 Pure Stockers at Darlington.
Technically you would have made it 8.
I loved every minute of your conversation and the historical documents you showed me.

Did very poorly losing both first rounds.
Need more seat time.
One of these days it will all come around.

Looking forward to meeting up with you again.
Stay thirsty!
D

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You have PM Dan. Drop me an email when you get a second.

Scott