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Stock winner at U.S. Nationals was waved past the scales. Per Danny Gracia, this was planned. I believe this is outrageous in heads-up race.

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Wow, if that's true it's total BS.

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Neither car was weighed or fuel checked. Mike questioned this, but considered the source of the answer and dropped it.

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Well just another nhra doing it their way.

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A "let's get outta here" attitude!

Of all the wasted scaling and fue l check (every time trial, every car?, how about spot checks?) the ONE TIME it's critical, heads up US NATS FINAL, and waved on..?

I believe they were OK, but come on

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I was stunned to see that Plourd not only won this final, but won it somewhat easily. I may have missed it in another thread, but does anyone know what happened to McGinley? Did he spin?

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I would like to hear the rest of the story also.I thought he might have spun,but it went 1.46,so that is decent.Car seemed to lay down at the 330.I know that car can run A LOT faster than it did in the final and never thought Brad would win without getting a hole shot.
Something may have broke.

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Does not seem possible. What were they thinking?

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NHRA only cares about the big boys!!!!

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I would be willing to bet had a non Chevy won, it would have been weighed. Also if a lower class car would have beaten a new super car COPO for example. I bet there would have been a spot check. Man I am sounding bitter...

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Im sure both cars were legal on weight--A complete nut wouldn't throw weight out in a final--But NHRA should have taken the few minutes for weight-fuel check-

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I believe that both cars were legal in every way. It just seams so odd that with so much on the line NHRA would not take the time to at least weigh them? I can understand no fuel check, equipment put away etc. But weight? I still like the fact it was a heads up final and the cars were very closely matched.

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This type of BS really spits in the eye of every racer that has to waste time being weighed and fuel checked on runs where the action is totally meaningless!!!!!

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It happened to Joe Lisa at Etown 2 years ago .It wasn't the final.So it aint the first time.
Im sure the Nova was legal as was Mike car.

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I do believe there was someone tossed (can't remember who) for being light in D-1 a couple of races ago....so it can be possible!

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With out Scales or fuel check?, should have put shoe polish on the windows, useless exercise. If you are going to weigh and scale during qualifying, you should damn well do it during a heads up final.

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Were either cars in the tear down barn ? I agree they weigh you all week and then on the final of the big one they let you go by, thats crazy. Im sure both cars are right but they still should have been checked.

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I remember a national event where both the winner and the runner up in stock were tossed.

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It also happened in Comp many years ago.

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Come on guys , in case you did not here NHRA is more racer friendly now . The big boss is shaking hands and letting us no NHRA wants our money. Maybe no more weight checks is part of the new deal. Don't forget no tear down for the shootout cars as well. Congrats Brad on your big win you desevered it.

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That same black Firebird went 11.08 at Indy last year, granted the weather was better. And that 112 mph was off its usual 114+ pace. After seeing the drain pan in the "Live" post I wonder if that could have been a factor in the car laying down and drop in MPH? How much oil was left in the motor?

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Just saying. In division 4 at a National event. It would not have happen. Just saying.

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How do you figure? Same guys would be manning the scales no matter what Division a National was in.

I've had the same thing happen with a heads up at a Divisional Race here in D6.

I totally agree with what Mr Koski said....

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When cars are in 2 different classes and they don't make big dial change,in time crunch wave by scales OK, when heads up not OK ,finals at INDY heads up NEVER should that happen.
Mike Taylor 3601

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Actually this did happen at Dallas in 2010. RJ Sledge and I had to run heads up at 5 cars to see who would have the bye run to the final. After turning off, they waved me by, and I stopped to make sure that we didn't have to weigh or fuel. Stock had to make up an extra round that day.

Austin Williams
464Q

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You guys are all wet about this deal and have your shorts in a bunch over nothing --- who in their right mind would be light in a heads-up final round in the biggest race of their life ? ? ? All this after being weighed a zillion times all week ......not a chance ! ! !

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Exactly. No chance either was light. However, NHRA, in the spirit of fairness and finishing the race the right way, should have weighed both cars.

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You never know. Sometimes there isn't time to go to the scales and check your weight. Why have scales if you're not going to use them for a heads-up race???

I won a heads-up race in Chicago one time and I knew I was going to be close on weight, so I pushed the car to the scales after coasting as far as I could. My weight was right on the minimum.

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Jack... I respectfully disagree.
Just ask Bryan Worner and Herbie Null. (At the Atco points meet a few weeks ago, These two had a GT/EA headsup run in the third round. As I was told, Herbie pulled out 40 lbs to get to the minumum for the run. He was scaled after beating Bryan and the car was actually 50 lbs lighter - meaning 10lbs light fo rthe run). Bryan was reinstated.

I say ALL headsups should be weighed 100% of the time... and ps.... (It wouldn't hurt for a quick underhood inspection too to see if the correct carb is on the car!!!... don't think that hasn't ever happened).


PS>>>> I also believe Brad was 100% legal on weight

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Or a nitrous bottle.lol

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I had a scare in Round 2 of Joliet this year.Won the round,went to the scales,they said I was 5 pounds light.This was one of the first times that I ran at a minimum weight of 4075.

I pulled off of the scales and then pulled on again and was right on.

I didn't mean to be that close,but when you are pitted almost 2 miles away,it was easy to underestimate how much gas I used up on the last pass.

This was Not a heads up.

Why on earth the cars were not weighed in the final at Indy is beyond me.

In fact,I was reluctant to even respond to the issue.Did this REALLY happen,or just a story that is on the internet?

Because,as we all know,if it is on the internet,it has to be true.

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With this logic, why would you ever weigh (or fuel check) unless they're just barely running the index? The absolute MOST important time to weigh is in a heads-up match, let alone in a final round, let alone at Indy.

Humans are imperfect and make mistakes. I've pulled weight out for Class before and came up light. It happens. People also drain fluids. Does everyone always remember to account for that weight?

There was a heads-up run at Darlington this weekend. One car was either at or 5-over min and the other was 20-25 over and lost by .00x. Weight could've made the difference.

Were both guys good? More than likely. We check because it is the rules, and things happen.

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And then there is the matter of the fuel not being checked on the winner. Even if its been checked all week long, it is important to check it after a heads up run.

Does anyone ever change fuel for a heads up run?

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Mike I think the clutch might of cause some of the problems, qualified at the number 79 in position, ran a best of 11:27, last run 11:56 from a previous 11:51 and with a great 0.06 light the clutch probably went away after the second and third gear. My two cents. Still both cars should have been weight checked, mistake have been known to happen in the excitement. Just imagine if both would have been light by a pound, can happened when you remove oil here and water there or even a bathroom break.lol CR

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Technical question: Does icing fuel affect how it checks? Or is it taken into account with temp on the fuel check meter?

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It's corrected for temperature. But I've seen them look at some people funny when it's 97 degrees out and your fuel is 55 degrees. I'd just say that it was in the air conditioned trailer, right by the vent

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I'm curious. Would you have said the same thing about Herbie had they not weighed him after his run against Bryan? :)

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I understand time can be an issue at some of the big races but at least weigh and check fuel for the guys who had a heads up, we are not talking about a lot of cars. Most of us assume we are going to be checked but that's not the point.

Jim Mantle

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Yes Toby.... I would have said the same for Herbie.... (I'm betting it was a complete accident that he came up light).... he knew he was getting scaled after that round (most likely

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I will tell you how it actually happened...we beat Downing at 4 cars and immediately went to my trailer to pull some weight and literally 10 minutes after I ran I was back on the scales and was 10 over. I even joked with the scale guy if I should pull 5 more...he said, "I am not giving you advice on that" and we laughed. I contemplated back at the pits pulling 2.5-5 lbs but knew it wouldn't make a diff and elected not to. We did pull 1/2 qt of oil and 1/2 qt of gear oil and if that adds up to 10+ lbs my math skills are awful! We knew our opponent should outrun us and were just hoping for a miracle (holeshot, spin or breakage) I still don't know what happened to Mr. McGinley's car but it did not make a run that anyone expected and that was lucky on our part. I know I was legal and I don't care if anyone believes me because that is irrelevant . NHRA told me to go ahead for the parade and I followed what they told me after I asked 3 or 4 times....are you sure???? Yes I wished we would have weighed and fuel checked just to ease everyone's minds and I hope in the future when we have a Headsup race that they weigh and fuel check EVERYONE....EVERYTIME.

I had a blast at Indy as always and want to thank DJ Pires and family for the slick 72 Nova, Chick Ross and family for carrying the car, My wife Katie, Ryan Mangus, Steve Glenn, Francis Ross, my family for their support and all the calls, texts and emails meant alot! And anyone else that helped push the car from our pits to the burnout box!

Thank you also to our great supporters: Lucas Oil, Hoosier tire, Jegs, K&N, Huntsville Engine and Plourd Racing Products.

Seeya in Charlotte!

PS- I was weighed in Class E1 when I finally got in the show and was legal...and oh ya...ran .07 better than the finals....