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Cut off the Charlotte race to show the restart of the NASCAR race! Not much of a loss when you think about it. Hour and a half of T/F and Funny Car plus the latest in the Force Family saga and 7 minutes of Pro Stock and P/S Motorcycle. Screw ESPN. Jim


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When you realize that NHRA pays 100% of all production costs for ESPN coverage (that's right, they pay every penny, including those commentators you love) you'll understand that ESPN has absolutely zero incentive to broadcast NHRA drag racing. They've already covered their costs, so they have zero to lose.

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You got it!!! I love your commentary!! long live the true NHRA fan ( ???WTF>>??)
First race in a long time my old buddy Jason Line is #1Q IN PRO STOCK. I have the time to watch this race, soooo,
I go to take a leak an make a fresh drink an, I come back and thiSTUFFF is on my TV that I pay for!!
What in the hell is going on??? money talks but what in the hell!!!!
SOB
We ALL have NO clout or what..........??

Glad I put that down payment on that Black COPO today....
I know I can get a sponsor for sure now after this type of display!!!!
F/M@!

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X2!!!!! Just came in to watch and damn nascar is on 2. REALLY!!!

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if you have it and want to watch its on espnnews channel which is channel 207 on directv.

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Its on ESPN News

Sean

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My wife is pi$$ed! We were watching it and bam bam bam Pro-Stock done! It was funny to see hear her complain as much as I do about Pro-Stock not getting any air time. I got changed for work and come back into the living room to find NASCAR. Then she and my daughter really got mad. I had to work so it really didn't make a difference for me.

I was happy to see it wasn't postponed for Little league baseball, women's tennis, more news about the baseball games (that people already watched that day) or the national basket weaving contest. Then they had to do that. Why not show it on the other 47 channels of NASCAR or the other 25 ESPNs. I do not have ESPN news for 2 reasons. 1) I'm a cheap skate, 2) I don't need/want to hear about any other sports. Just my NHRA that was suppose to be on ESPN 2. Looks like I may need to upgrade to ESPN 3 to see the coverage at a better time. It was never a wonder why so many sponsors are pulling out of NHRA. It was more of a wonder why they stayed as long as they did.

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Obviously it was out of the question to put NASCAR on ESPN news and leave drag racing alone. :confused: sux.

Jeff

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Now 'THAT'S FUNNY!!'

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Sucks especially if you DVR it. I was watching it, about 2 hours delayed, so I can FF all the commercials, force family saga, etc., and right when NASCAR came on, I switched over to ESPN News, and it was already over.

Nice.

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And NHRA probably wonders why the ratings are so low (one of the reasons given by Ford for their leaving NHRA), it's hard to watch a moving target. If NHRA isn't actively searching for a Network that will broadcast WHEN they say they will, maybe they deserve the shabby treatment.

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So true! Unfortunately it's the lowly peon racers who are the ones who suffer. Glendora probably didn't even know (or care) what happened. The alcohol addled brains at the top need to be replaced with people who really care about the racers they were put in place to serve! It's sad but profit over safety and the lining of pockets has become the norm. Jim


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This isn't the first time that ESPN has moved or preempted NHRA coverage for NASCAR or the NBA! As has been mentioned above, NHRA pays for the privilege of "showcasing" the professional classes on ESPN, and in my humble opinion is not receiving fair value for it's (OUR!) money. The Saturday program was scheduled for 3:30 AM here on the East Coast, and even that was delayed over 20 minutes for a "Baseball Tonight" re-run! Then yesterday's debacle, switching a broadcast already in progress to another channel, which coincidentally NEVER carries ANY NHRA programming, and is a "premium" channel on most cable systems! And our only other coverage, on the computer-based ESPN3, has gone from a "live-feed" of the event to another, more in-depth rehash of the trials-and-tribulations of the professional drivers and their team owners.

By this point, we should be thankful for "any" Drag Racing coverage. And you would have to assume as long as the NHRA is paying for it, we DESERVE a more well-produced product. Say what you want to about "Pink's" and "Pass Time", at least our sport was out there on televisions in the homes of millions of potential fans! How many people stayed up until after 3:30 AM on Sunday, or made the switch to ESPNews (if they could) on Sunday night?

While it's pointless to argue that the sportsman racers are still getting shortchanged, because they are and have been for a good long while, doesn't anyone at the Association HQ's understand that the entertainment "package" that we are being fed is sub-standard? Are they waiting for someone, possibly Lucas's new "MAV-TV", to fund their productions? The Velocity Channel seems to be willing to take-up some of the vacuum left by the demise of what now is called FS1, so maybe something good will happen. I just hope we haven't lost all of our fan's by then!

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I was watching ESPN-the Sox and the Yankees-it was probably the last chance for Mo Rivera to pitch in Fenway, but he wasn't used since it was a blowout (the last two weekends help eliminate the awful memories some of us have of 1978). The Sox paid a fitting tribute, including a remembrance of October 17, 2004 (one of the few blown saves Mo had in post-season play-as good as he was in the regular season, he was so much better in post-season). Though he stopped the Sox so many times, his greatness and class made him probably the favorite Yankee of so many Sox fans. here is a link to the ceremony honoring Mo.http://nesn.com/2013/09/red-sox-hono...ay-park-video/

oh yeah, and screw ESPN2.

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Sunday mid afternoon watching TV and Not being much of a golf/baseball/NBA guy and sitting looking at an Inch of rain falling that we so desparetly needed all while the Nascar race 60 miles away was on rain hold I was flipping the TV channels and came across two 1 hour programs called Lucas drag boats and Lucas sprint car--good shows both of them and I NEVER watch the NHRA/ESPN shows just because of not only the Pro debacle but the announcers too---cannot quite figure out why the NHRA show cannot compare in quality to those Lucas shows--- Maybe Brett Keppner(sp) can chime in and kinda give us an insiders viewpoint on why this is. He supposedly has been in the "business" for many years and should be able to fill all of us in on thw whys and why nots of the broadcasting business. How bout it Brett??

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Maybe NHRA can get some air time on the NFL Network... I mean after all, apart from the NFL Draft (late April) there's not really too much else going on in the Football World (arrests, domestic violence, and murders aside) during Drag Racing Season. Maybe it's about time for a move away from ESPN???

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This channel switching at ESPN has been going on for years.
It's not only NHRA events that its happening to.
If NHRA and ESPN haven't worked out a solution by now........

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The show that gets the higher ratings wins , Nascar sprint cup gets about 10 times higher viewership than nhra, also it is live,

Nascar fans are probably not happy because it was on espn2 not espn, why ratings.

If NHRA can put on a better show, it will get viewers back and then get the preferred time slot.

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I hope that the sponsors for the pros are dumb enough to not realize that they are not getting their bang for the buck

This could be the end of the pros....

Maybe that is not so bad as sportsman can rise from the ashes of NHRA..

Go back to how it all started....

No pros, just SPORTSMEN racers..

Just a thought,
Bob

PS:
I thought that watching the pros was better than nothing...

I might have to rethink that.....

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The TV coverage continues to leave me talking to myself. I PAY for ESPN2, they cut in to the finals at 10pm saying they will switch over to ESPNEWS, which I think is total BS but I turn to the channel and, guess what, its not on my TV package.

Now, if I want to watch it I can subscribe (like pay per view) and pay TWICE to watch the event coverage. As crazy as that is, I am a diehard and push the subscribe button on my remote to PAY for the second half of the coverage (after paying to have ESPN2 mind you) and it says that the channel is not available in my area. So I cant watch it even if I want to pay double to do so.

Now, I just clicked on NHRA.com and they posted that ESPN will do all of us a favor and re air the entire coverage tonight AT 3 TO 6AM!!!!!!!!! I don't know whether to laugh or cry its that funny.

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Here we go again. Got to set up the DVR again.

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Trust me Chris, unless you love T/F or TF/FC it's not even worth it. 9.5 minutes of P/S and 6 min. of PS/M. The rest John Force and family. Jim

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I've already explained the facts of the situation here. (Use the "Search" function). Nobody wanted hear it or believe it and and folks insisted I must be wrong.

"Chime in"? LMAO! Never again, buddy!

Besides, I've "supposedly" only been working in network television nonstop for twenty-nine years as of this month so I can't possibly know the facts. LMAO!

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This was Bret's answer when he DID chime in a couple of years ago:

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Bret: Since I've been mentioned a few times in this thread, I'm going to offer a few observations. I'm not picking on any individual but I am going to address the many misconceptions posted herein.

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Perhaps the way to go would be having an independent producer film, edit and package for sale to Speed, FSCR or ESPN coverage of one or more of the Stock/Super Stock association combo events.

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We need a independent firm to do it with experienced ex-racers more or less directing what to do.

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Why doesnt NHRA sign a deal with Speed channel and get more TV exposure!

Bret: One of these days, you folks will understand how television works in the twenty-first century. Networks do not pay for shows about drag racing. It works the other way around. Everybody, from NHRA's Full Throttle series and the IHRA's Nitro Jam events to the weekly Inside Drag Racing show, pays the network for the airtime. To the network, a drag racing show is just an infomercial.

How much does it cost? Using rough but accurate numbers, it costs any production company $1,000 per minute of air time to shoot, edit and package the event and the "slot" of airtime costs $1,000 per minute to puchase. In other words, if you'd like to put a thirty-minute sportsman show on television on any major channel, be prepared to spend a minimum of $60,000. Using this equation for an average NHRA National Event weekend which includes five hours of coverage, you'll see why the NHRA pays approximately $8,000,000 per year for their ESPN schedule.

How do I know this? This is how I've made my living for twenty-seven years.

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There has been, in the last 25 or so years, a complete lack of promotion for sportsman racing unless you include alcohol cars as sportsmen.

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It is sad that sportsman racing never got any kind of shot at TV.

Bret: ...unless you count the 137 sportsman-only IHRA shows, (by my count, which is pretty accurate), which we, (including myself as a contractor), produced and aired on ESPN between 1985 and 1996. However, I'm going to guess you think those don't count. Because of this, I probably shouldn't mention the dozens of sportsman-only shows aired on Inside Drag Racing, (for which I'm a contractor), for the past twenty-one years including everything from Alex Denysenko's Class Nationals at Byron (IL) to IDR's exclusive coverage of SS/AA eliminations at the NHRA U.S. Nationals for seven years straight.

In all seriousness, I could take these comments quite personally; we, (as a production company and as fans), poured our souls into those shows to make them the best possible representations of sportsman drag racing. However, I'm old enough that my feelings won't be hurt.

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I can remember back to the late 60's and early 70's going to Indy to watch and there were huge crowds the days of class with people hanging off the fence.

Bret: I'm going to presume you don't remember why all those people were hanging on the fence to watch class racing back then but here is the real reason. In the 1960s and 1970s, there were no "days of class" racing as they are currently presented. At that time, there were no Professional Qualifying Sessions. In any given hour, fans would watch every class from Stock to Top Fuel running a few pairs at a time. The reason the grandstands were so full was because the fans saw every class during every hour of a ten-hour (or longer) day. Those fans weren't there just to see sportsman cars.

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Hell, if he (Lucas) or the other companies want to buy advertising, ya dont think the TV guys are gonna say no do ya?

Bret: Yes. As a matter of fact, they will. The majority of the advertising money for the current shows goes to the production company...not the network. The production company has already paid for the airtime so the network has no stake in the advertising. In fact, the network could care less who advertises on these programs; it's not their show. As a somewhat humorous sidenote to your comment, this is the very reason Forrest Lucas recently started his own television network, (MAVTV), for which I'm a contractor.

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A reasonably smart marketing man could still sell S/SS racing as a viable niche program.

Bret: If this were true, it would be done on a regular basis. It's not done at all. Don't think for a minute it hasn't been analyzed or tried; any racing association will do anything which proves successful and makes money. Stock and Super Stock are not marketable on their own will only be televised if the airtime is purchased from the network.

Furthermore, your concept of the "niche market" system is askew. The sport of professional drag racing is the "niche market". Sportsman competition is a miniscule niche within that niche which, as a separate entity, has extremely limited appeal. Many people see the television ratings for professional drag racing and ask, "Why are the numbers so low?". The incredibly simple answer is, "Drag racing just isn't that big of deal...period".

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The "Lucas Oil/On The Edge" series features a wide variety of motorsports-themed stuff; anything from schoolbus demolition derbies to snowmobiles racing on ponds. These are all fringe type events that certainly can't afford to pay the full cost of getting on that show yet there they are on national TV.

Bret: You're dead wrong. These shows are only on television because they paid the production company and bought the airtime to be on television at the rates mentioned above. How do I know this? I'm a contractor for the Lucas Oil/On the Edge television show.

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What do all these events have in common? Simplicity!

Bret: Very true; they all include the simplicity of writing a check to get on television.

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Bret Kepner was one guy that could have done the sportsman racer well...sad that no one capitalized on his talent.

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Yep, Kepner used to be good back in the day.

Bret: I appreciate the prepared obituaries but, in 2011, I still make my living as a televised drag racing commentator. I've been lucky enough to hold the same job since 1985 and my schedule is still full every year. I guess I was the guy who capitalized on my talent but the companies with whom I've worked as a contractor have made out pretty well on the deal, too. However, I truly appreciate the compliments....even if they are in the past tense!
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