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Richard Grant 10-04-2013 05:22 PM

Driving Past Scales
 
I notice where some racers have been re-instated because the winner drove past the scales. My question is: if the losing driver also drove past the scales are they(the loser) re-instated? I know in the past some racers have waited until the opponent passes weight and fuel before returning to the pits. So I wonder if the loser should follow that procedure or if they are re-instated anyway.

boster 10-04-2013 05:40 PM

Re: Driving Past Scales
 
NHRA does what they want when it happens . Up to the tech director at the race . It's been done to me both ways

Crew Chief 10-04-2013 05:49 PM

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Isn't it usually the runner-up that lets the scale guy know his competitor drove past the scales? If they both drive bye without anyone bringing up the subject....who cares!

Jeff Jewell 10-04-2013 05:53 PM

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I always wait at the scale and fuel check for my opponent. While I haven't been lucky enough to be reinstated, my Dad was at the Gators a few years back when his opponent drove past the scales while he waited.

I have also made it a habit making sure an official tells me that I do or do not need weight and fuel after a round win. I have seen where racers have driven right on by after a round win without thinking they needed to stop.

Jeff Jewell

442OLDS 10-04-2013 06:02 PM

Re: Driving Past Scales
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Jewell (Post 402921)
I always wait at the scale and fuel check for my opponent. While I haven't been lucky enough to be reinstated, my Dad was at the Gators a few years back when his opponent drove past the scales while he waited.

When I lose,I do not wait at the scales.I am of the opinion that unless it was a heads up race,I really don't care what the weight of their car was.I lost and load up.

Kevin Panzino 10-04-2013 07:37 PM

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I don't know the details, but Ryan and his dad are absolute first class straight shooters. There must have been some communication breakdown.

Dennis P Chapman 10-04-2013 07:52 PM

Re: Driving Past Scales
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Jewell (Post 402921)
I always wait at the scale and fuel check for my opponent. While I haven't been lucky enough to be reinstated, my Dad was at the Gators a few years back when his opponent drove past the scales while he waited.

I have also made it a habit making sure an official tells me that I do or do not need weight and fuel after a round win. I have seen where racers have driven right on by after a round win without thinking they needed to stop.

Jeff Jewell

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Ryan Horensky 10-04-2013 08:47 PM

Re: Driving Past Scales
 
In regards to my dad's DQ first round in Reading today, he did in fact cross the scales and weigh. He was disqualified for not stopping at fuel check. My dad said he didn't see anyone motioning for him to go to fuel check so he continued on. When we found out from another racer that he was listed as a DQ on drag central, my dad went to the tech trailer and an official said he was motioning for my dad to go to fuel check. Nobody's fault. Just another bizzare way to lose I guess.

bubski 10-04-2013 09:30 PM

Re: Driving Past Scales
 
What a joke. Didnt they just have a heads up final with no scale or fuel check? enhancement at its best!

RobbieRacer 10-04-2013 09:35 PM

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How often do cars fail weight and or fuel check during elimanations?
Seams like a waste of time for the most part.

Bobby Brannon 10-04-2013 10:42 PM

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In Div. 4 you go to scales first then they hand you cup for fuel check
just saying

David Barton 10-05-2013 07:46 AM

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I do agree its crazy even checking it unless its a heads up run. But I'm sure they have their reasons.

Ryan Horensky 10-05-2013 10:47 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by David Barton (Post 402965)
I was walking towards the fuel check trailer with my sample as it happened. Two guys were trying to wave him down but he kept going. The weird thing was he even turned down the same road where fuel check takes place and he kept on driving.

I do agree its crazy even checking it unless its a heads up run. But I'm sure they have their reasons.

David,

I'm afraid you need to get your facts straight. My Father crossed the scale at around 9:00 am and continued to drive up the main road. He did not make the left to drive up the road that fuel check was taking place, because he did not see anyone motioning for him to do so. We were parked nowhere near there so it would not make sense for him to drive that direction anyway. There are a few red mustangs that were racing at the track this weekend. I watched watched Carroll Morris drive up that road warming up his super stocker during Stock Round 1. You may have confused his red mustang with ours? In any case, I think my dad remembers what road he drove down after crossing the scale. Hope this clears things up.

Jim Hanig 10-05-2013 11:06 AM

Re: Driving Past Scales
 
They must have needed the fuel for the scooters

gbur 10-05-2013 11:36 AM

Re: Driving Past Scales
 
what happened to fuel ck ajacent to the scales ?

Pistol Pete 10-05-2013 12:35 PM

Re: Driving Past Scales
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bubski (Post 402943)
what a joke. Didnt they just have a heads up final with no scale or fuel check? Enhancement at its best!

yes they did have a heads up final at indy.

No wt. Or fuel check.

Go figure.

JWhalen58 10-05-2013 12:36 PM

Re: Driving Past Scales
 
Just wondering how does the IHRA handle scales and fuel check after each round? Does this same thing happen there?

David Barton 10-05-2013 08:34 PM

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Ryan,

Sorry for the mix up. You're right, I was thinking of another Mustang. So I don't sound as stupid, NHRA was freaking out about a Mustang, but it obviously it wasn't him.

Doug Blackley 10-05-2013 08:42 PM

Re: Driving Past Scales
 
Is it possible the officials did the same thing as well?

Ryan Horensky 10-05-2013 09:21 PM

Re: Driving Past Scales
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by David Barton (Post 403039)
Ryan,

Sorry for the mix up. You're right, I was thinking of another Mustang. So I don't sound as stupid, NHRA was freaking out about a Mustang, but it obviously it wasn't him.

David,

No offense was taken by your previous post. I just didn't want this post to spiral out of control. My dad weighed and drove up the main road and back to where we were parked. He didn't see an official motion for him to go to fuel check, so he kept driving. In no way was it intentional to bypass fuel check. It was simply a mistake. He spoke to the officials about it and took full responsibility for what happened. It was unfortunate that it happened and in the end it cost my dad a round win. He went through fuel check thursday and there were no issues with our fuel. Just wanted to clear things up. Some of these threads on here get out of control real fast.

Brandon Peterson 10-05-2013 10:04 PM

Re: Driving Past Scales
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JWhalen58 (Post 403001)
Just wondering how does the IHRA handle scales and fuel check after each round? Does this same thing happen there?

Sometimes it does depending on what track you are at and where the scales are located versus your ET or Pit, some tracks the scales may be halfway up the track, some are slide scales and they might not weigh every round or use to not, i believe that is now a rule to weigh every rd, where they had and incident this year at a track that they didnt start wieghing in eleminations untill 3rd rd and a few drove by as their wasnt a clear anoucement to weigh, and as far as fuel it has become none exsistent in IHRA because of no nationals, but i believe they still check fuel for heads up runs.

I also wonder if it would cause a conflict to stop at the fuel check and wait for your competitor to check fuel i have only ran 3 national events in my life and they were all this year and i didnt win a round but every race i was told to move along pretty much when i arrived at fuel check which was before the scales at the 3 races i went too, so i wonder if it would be a issue if one was to stay and wait after being told to go to the pits pretty much

Richard Grant 10-06-2013 10:02 AM

Re: Driving Past Scales
 
Brandon has a good point. If everyone waited until their opponent to weight and fuel check it would be a log jam. NHRA should issue a ruling that if the opponent passes the scales and/or fuel check then the loser is automaticly reinstated.
I agree with Bobby, Div 4 has a excellent policy of issuing cups to the winner as they cross the scales. It works great.

Nitro Joe Jackson 10-06-2013 01:33 PM

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i know at the soon to be Northern Class Nationals i will put cones up so when you get your time slip you must go past the scale and fuel check, and if you drive on through where cones are at and get thrown out don't say a word, lol.

Bill Koski 10-06-2013 06:29 PM

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At Baytown they had fuel check before the scales. When I got back to the trailer and saw the right door window was up it dawned on me I'd passed the scales. This was one of the rainy years and we were pitted at the roundy round track and when I went back through the staging lanes Super Gas was running already, I thought I was screwed. Got back to the scales and 2 stockers were still in line so I was saved.
The bitch of it was I'd have missed my bye round!!!!!


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