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Don Kennedy 10-16-2013 01:24 AM

I just noticed the entries for the national event
 
When A thread has people calling people names it is time to erase the whole thread

Don Kennedy 10-16-2013 01:33 AM

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Mickey Whaley 10-16-2013 08:31 AM

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if we are to watch the following racers????? we need their names?

fredjohnston 10-16-2013 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Don Kennedy (Post 404575)
heard a rumor today that there will be a major effort by NHRA to check in Super Stock electronics

Since all cars have some form of electronics, can you tell the competitors what should be removed?

Thanks.

442OLDS 10-16-2013 10:07 AM

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Don had a .000 light in the first round of the Sportsnationals last week.I think he is worried.

Racin Mason 10-16-2013 12:57 PM

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Don, you have been pretty vocal about people possibly using electronics in SS for a while. If NHRA is finally going to check, why the heck are you giving everyone a heads up that they will be looking for this? This seems counter productive to the cause of catching any cheaters.

Michael Beard 10-16-2013 01:08 PM

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Last week at the TOC, I was .015, .012, .003, -.001, .012, .005, .007, .003, lane to lane, day to night, over three different days. I have in-car video of all but two of the runs. I footbrake, no 2-step. The previous week, other than an errant .030 from the car not leaving right due to a leaking fuel rail, I was no worse than .024 in two different cars at two different tracks over four days. It'd be great if someone could tell me what I'm doing so that I could bottle it.

If someone was cheating, would their lights be better or worse than this? I guarantee you I'd be worse *with* a delay box. Even on a practice tree, I'm just 'average' off the top, and worse, I don't really have a feel for what kind of light I hit. A transbrake and 2-step off the bottom might help a tiny bit, though.

That being said, I can't drive the stripe to save my life, and Shaq would destroy me in a free-throw contest.

njk53 10-16-2013 01:48 PM

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Michael, if you can figure out what you are doing when it comes to cutting good lights, and bottle it, I'll take 50 cases LOL.

Jim Kaekel 10-16-2013 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by njk53 (Post 404636)
Michael, if you can figure out what you are doing when it comes to cutting good lights, and bottle it, I'll take 50 cases LOL.


I'll take a bottle as well!

Randall Klein 10-16-2013 02:52 PM

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I'm of the opinion that blinder/bottom bulb reaction (legal) is just as good as top bulb/delay box (illegal). You can miss with both as well.

Dan Fletcher 10-16-2013 03:07 PM

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Are you really friggin' serious...

Randall Klein 10-16-2013 03:12 PM

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Yes....yes I am

Dan Fletcher 10-16-2013 03:25 PM

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Who said I was addressing you, lol...

Mark Faul 10-16-2013 04:27 PM

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Stay thirsty my friends

Billy B 10-16-2013 04:31 PM

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Perfect!!:D

Toby Lang 10-16-2013 04:51 PM

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Come on now, Michael hardly ever talks about himself.

Ed Carpenter 10-16-2013 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark Faul (Post 404664)
Stay thirsty my friends

That is awesome!

SSDiv6 10-16-2013 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Toby Lang (Post 404673)
Come on now, Michael hardly ever talks about himself.

Who is Michael Beard??? :)

Tony Janes 10-16-2013 05:10 PM

Re: I just noticed the entries for the national event
 
If Michael talks about himself he is not the only guilty one.

Randall Klein 10-16-2013 05:10 PM

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Heck, I've had lights like that



just at various races


over a period of years

Dennis P Chapman 10-16-2013 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by njk53 (Post 404636)
Michael, if you can figure out what you are doing when it comes to cutting good lights, and bottle it, I'll take 50 cases LOL.

x2 count me in also.

Eric Merryfield 10-16-2013 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Don Kennedy (Post 404575)
heard a rumor today that there will be a major effort by NHRA to check in Super Stock electronics

You mean delay boxes? I wouldn't think it would be too hard to catch.....penalties ie Fines should be thrown in to the winners pots for the race.....and should start at what Barton got for his fine.....which was 2 or 3 grand? Pro fines should also go into the sportsman payout pool...oops did I write that.....

Eric

K Stubbs 10-16-2013 07:23 PM

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Anyone is capable of having a good day hitting the tree at any given time. Even the guys who race a lot and win a lot make mistakes and miss it, that's just human error. Stock/Super Stock racing has become way more competitive so you are forced to better yourself. Just about everyone is better than they were ten years ago.

Toby Lang 10-16-2013 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Tony Janes (Post 404677)
If Michael talks about himself he is not the only guilty one.


You're right, Tony. Some a little more than others though.

What's that old saying? "Reaction time's for show, top end's for dough."

Adger Smith 10-16-2013 09:31 PM

Re: I just noticed the entries for the national event
 
Don't let Beard mess with you. He isn't doing any bragging, He is just setting you up for the next time he runs you. It's called "Head Game" I bet he even keeps records of the red lite rounds he gets.

jmcarter 10-16-2013 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Adger Smith (Post 404736)
Don't let Beard mess with you. He isn't doing any bragging, He is just setting you up for the next time he runs you. It's called "Head Game" I bet he even keeps records of the red lite rounds he gets.

Bingo! Didn't the ND article on Bobby Warren include his advice to not worry about whoever is in the other lane? Easier said than done but it's one of the top priorities for any racer and that includes heads-up runs where you should have them covered (as Mark Faul taught me a couple of years ago).

Mike Graham 10-16-2013 09:47 PM

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Things that make you go Hmmm.

442OLDS 10-16-2013 09:50 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Adger Smith (Post 404736)
Don't let Beard mess with you. He isn't doing any bragging, He is just setting you up for the next time he runs you. It's called "Head Game" I bet he even keeps records of the red lite rounds he gets.

I was thinking the same thing.If you post a bunch of great reaction times that you have had on the internet,you get a bunch of easy red light wins.

I need to try that strategy.I only average one red light win each year,for the last two seasons.

BLAZER 10-16-2013 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Don Kennedy (Post 404576)
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Sorry don't know who you are-or your point-what am I missing?:confused:

Don Kennedy 10-16-2013 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by BLAZER (Post 404747)
Sorry don't know who you are-or your point-what am I missing?:confused:

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billy leber 10-16-2013 10:34 PM

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Now I know why you sold me that delay box so cheap Mark Faul ....

BLAZER 10-16-2013 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Don Kennedy (Post 404751)
I don't know who you are lol You know who i am :)

Yes now I remember--you drove a chopped mercury in the 50s and your uncle was the flagman--close?:eek:

Don Kennedy 10-16-2013 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by BLAZER (Post 404753)
Yes now I remember--you drove a chopped mercury in the 50s and your uncle was the flagman--close?:eek:

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Pedigo Perf 10-17-2013 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael Beard (Post 404627)
Last week at the TOC, I was .015, .012, .003, -.001, .012, .005, .007, .003, lane to lane, day to night, over three different days. I have in-car video of all but two of the runs. I footbrake, no 2-step. The previous week, other than an errant .030 from the car not leaving right due to a leaking fuel rail, I was no worse than .024 in two different cars at two different tracks over four days. It'd be great if someone could tell me what I'm doing so that I could bottle it.
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That's very good Michael, BUT.... can you go 1.28 sixty foot times at 3880 pounds on a 9" tire???? 1320Racer can.

J.LISA 10-17-2013 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Pedigo Perf (Post 404768)
That's very good Michael, BUT.... can you go 1.28 sixty foot times at 3880 pounds on a 9" tire???? 1320Racer can.

Get the popcorn out!!!

Pedigo Perf 10-17-2013 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by J.LISA (Post 404775)
Get the popcorn out!!!

Just a little humor

joespanova 10-17-2013 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Don Kennedy (Post 404755)
I started Drag Racing in 1963 with a 1955 Chevy Stocker ,Then I build A Nova Super Stocker , then I raced a 1969 Camaro Super Stocker , Then I wrote the GT rules for NHRA I gave the notebook to Darrell Zimmerman who turned the rules to Dave Danish for approval by NHRA in the Early 80's . My Trans Am was the very first GT car build under the watchful eyes of Dave Danish NHRA National Tech Director , then Dick Henry build the second GT car and the rest is History I raced My Trans Am for 26 years had a blast with it Sold the car to Some friends of Mine in Sweden and bought the 2005 Sun Fire I am racing now that pretty much sums my racing Good times .:D:) When did you start racing?

I believe I've seen the "said" Trans Am at Commerce ( Atlanta dragway ) in the nineties. You have been around a while..........hell , so have I :eek:

1320racer 10-17-2013 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Pedigo Perf (Post 404768)
That's very good Michael, BUT.... can you go 1.28 sixty foot times at 3880 pounds on a 9" tire???? 1320Racer can.

no he can't!:p

Looks like Michael had a good weekend, much different than his Sunday 2 weeks ago at Numidia where they paid $5K to win in both Footbrake and Electronics where he was on road before 2nd round.;)

I hear NHRA Division 1 bracket racers are tough. :D My 16 year old son raced that day too, his first time in competition in my car and had to get by a current or former track champion every round as well Tom Fletcher before losing at 6 cars with a .-006 to the current Pro ET track champion at Numidia. No easy rounds in this neck of the woods.

442OLDS 10-17-2013 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by 1320racer
No easy rounds in this neck of the woods.


Probably the topic for another thread,but where exactly can you race these days where the round wins come easy?

Michael Beard 10-17-2013 11:55 AM

Re: I just noticed the entries for the national event
 
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Originally Posted by 442OLDS (Post 404742)
I was thinking the same thing.If you post a bunch of great reaction times that you have had on the internet,you get a bunch of easy red light wins.

No, it was posted because this conversation (at least the most recent iteration of it) was started on Facebook with a claim that there was data that showed certain racers must be cheating. I posted empirical data from runs where there is demonstrably no cheating in order to show that it's not only possible but probable. I apologize if anyone took it as bragging, but I didn't think saying, "Nuh-UH!" constituted a supportive argument.


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That's very good Michael, BUT.... can you go 1.28 sixty foot times at 3880 pounds on a 9" tire????
Nope. As mentioned earlier, I'm pretty worthless past the first 12" of the race track.

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Looks like Michael had a good weekend, much different than his Sunday 2 weeks ago at Numidia where they paid $5K to win in both Footbrake and Electronics where he was on road before 2nd round.
I'm not sure where this is germane to the topic at hand, but no, I did not have a good weekend. I made a lot of test n' tune and time trial laps. The car slowed .08 on my qualifying run, I dialed off of that, and proceeded to hog up the stripe horribly when the car picked back up. At Numidia, I was .023 and .019 in time shots, then .014 first round where I (you guessed it) hogged up the stripe horribly. I thought the tailwind had gone away. It did not.


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