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LethalRat 11-14-2013 12:32 AM

GT classes
 
Can you tell me what happened to the Super Stock GT classes. I saw some results and it looks like they let older body cars in it now. I don't race in Super Stock, i'm just a fan. I thought it was reserved for late model cars with early engines.

ss3011 11-14-2013 08:14 AM

Re: GT classes
 
NHRA lifted the restriction that GT cars are 1980 and newer, and also allow any body style. Basically if the car is in the classification guide it is eligible for GT.

ALMACK 11-14-2013 10:53 AM

Re: GT classes
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ss3011 (Post 408835)
NHRA lifted the restriction that GT cars are 1980 and newer, and also allow any body style. Basically if the car is in the classification guide it is eligible for GT.

Nice.

When did NHRA do this ?

Jeff Teuton 11-14-2013 11:02 AM

Re: GT classes
 
It was several years ago. We haviing been racing our 70 Duster in GT for at least 4 years now. And I think it was longer than that. GT is interesting in that motor for motor there is a .05 disadvantage to GT from pure SS, which is ok cause you kow when you go that is the rule. Might be some change shortly between FWD conversions and GT in original RWD cars in GT. I think we can all agree that the Cobalts (etc) have an advantage over the big rwd bodies with the same motor. But than again, I don't know if we can all agree on anything out here. Makes it interesting.

Michael Beard 11-14-2013 12:58 PM

Re: GT classes
 
My car is a 1980 Volare, so even prior to the rule change it had a lot of different classes it could potentially run.

One of the worst things I could've done... got to daydreaming and photoshopped up this Dodge Stratus, almost 600# lighter than the Volare. Will never be able to afford to build one, but if I ever win the lottery...! Driving Mike Volkman's Sebring got me hooked. That thing works nice, and really cuts through the air.

https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/...78118131_n.jpg

ALMACK 11-14-2013 05:18 PM

Re: GT classes
 
Good to hear about the (any) body year change.

too bad it is v-8 only.

Dick Butler 11-14-2013 05:58 PM

Re: GT classes
 
Gt index handicap versus SS is a very obvious one. Bigger problem is bogus Truck motors in GT/AA at rediculous HP advantage over true performance motors.
454 vette motor GT/AA 10.40s, 454 Truck motor in Cavalier 9.60s. Thats the motor not the chassis entirely. Once again a California combination which started the death of GT/AA racing. Small block fly wt. GT/AA are also an issue for heavy BB cars. Is it index, is it MASS to move in the BB car? A 7 and 7.5 lb GT class could separate the BB and SB cars as BB could take out wt and escape to 7 or 7.5 class.No escaping a Bogus motor though.

Alan Roehrich 11-14-2013 07:50 PM

Re: GT classes
 
When did they change the rule and allow big block engines in front wheel drive conversions?

The Hawk 11-14-2013 08:04 PM

Re: GT classes
 
You guy`s with the budget,how `bout an `80 Fairmont with a late model Cobra Jet powerplant! Would be awesome!!!

Gordie Kissner 11-14-2013 08:28 PM

Re: GT classes
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by The Hawk (Post 408931)
You guy`s with the budget,how `bout an `80 Fairmont with a late model Cobra Jet powerplant! Would be awesome!!!

I was thinking the same thing..only a late CJ powerplant in an early Maverick!

Dick Butler 11-14-2013 08:39 PM

Re: GT classes
 
I retract my opinion on this.

The Hawk 11-14-2013 08:41 PM

Re: GT classes
 
Nice!

Rory McNeil 11-15-2013 04:46 AM

Re: GT classes
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gordie Kissner (Post 408939)
I was thinking the same thing..only a late CJ powerplant in an early Maverick!

Fitting one of those W I I I DE DOHC V8s in between a Mavericks shock towers might be a tad interesting.

ALMACK 11-15-2013 09:33 AM

Re: GT classes
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by The Hawk (Post 408931)
You guy`s with the budget,how `bout an `80 Fairmont with a late model Cobra Jet powerplant! Would be awesome!!!

You beat me to that one.

My first thought was a pushrod 352 CJ in a '78 Fairmont wagon.
I see the wagons are legal in GT, but not 4 door cars.


"Reserved for foreign and domestic factory-production two-door coupes,
two-door sedans, sports cars, convertibles, or station wagons with any
production V-8 engine of the same make. Year of engine optional."

Dick Butler 11-15-2013 09:35 AM

Re: GT classes
 
xx

Bobby DiDomenico 11-15-2013 09:43 AM

Re: GT classes
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ALMACK (Post 408986)
You beat me to that one.

My first thought was a pushrod 352 CJ in a '78 Fairmont wagon.
I see the wagons are legal in GT, but not 4 door cars.


"Reserved for foreign and domestic factory-production two-door coupes,
two-door sedans, sports cars, convertibles, or station wagons with any
production V-8 engine of the same make. Year of engine optional."

Why no 4 doors? The G&R 4 door Tijuana Taxi was much better looking than any Pinto!!

ALMACK 11-15-2013 10:01 AM

Re: GT classes
 
GT/MA indexes are 11.75...1/4 and 7.53...1/8th.

I spotted another potential GT engine combo for my '87 Turbo Coupe. :)

SSDiv6 11-15-2013 10:09 AM

Re: GT classes
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich (Post 408928)
When did they change the rule and allow big block engines in front wheel drive conversions?

The rule was changed some time ago.
As a matter of fact, I believe that in addition to the Chevy big block there are a few with the Pontiac big block engine in their FWD GT cars.

Ed Wright 11-15-2013 10:45 AM

Re: GT classes
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SSDiv6 (Post 408992)
The rule was changed some time ago.
As a matter of fact, I believe that in addition to the Chevy big block there are a few with the Pontiac big block engine in their FWD GT cars.

You are correct.

btrc 11-15-2013 11:44 AM

Re: GT classes
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by The Hawk (Post 408931)
You guy`s with the budget,how `bout an `80 Fairmont with a late model Cobra Jet powerplant! Would be awesome!!!

I think in the long run it would be cheaper to use a newer mustang body if you got one that did not need paint or body work. I'm working on a mustang stocker now and I have less in the basic body than I would have in restoring a 1970-80 body. My original plan was to build a GT new mustang with a FE big block. like a real 428CJ in a newer CJ. The new mustang body would cost less than a 69 or 70 mustang.

Bob

Joe Toller 11-17-2013 12:20 AM

Re: GT classes
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gordie Kissner (Post 408939)
I was thinking the same thing..only a late CJ powerplant in an early Maverick!

Coyote power! I'd love to build one...it will never happen, but with NMRA Coyote Stock, I would love to see a Maverick or Comet, especially a 4 door...

greg fulk 11-19-2013 02:52 AM

Re: GT classes
 
The combo I thought would be built by now is 57 Chevy with a 427 or 396 & a 4-speed....I haven't looked to see what kind of combo it would be BUT it would be very COOL! ;)

Ed Wright 11-19-2013 10:45 AM

Re: GT classes
 
Cool, but not nearly as slippery as the newer jellybean cars. LOL

topspeed632 11-28-2013 01:36 PM

Re: GT classes
 
jeff lawerence is running a rwd 351c 88 mustang in Gt/aa...is doing very well in the class

ken robinson 11-29-2013 08:00 PM

Re: GT classes
 
Just wondering why 1986 thunderbird is legal in ss , but 1987&1988 are not listed ? Is it what nobody called to get it in to the listings so it can be a legsl car like the 1986 ? If so who do you call and what you need to do ?

ALMACK 11-30-2013 02:16 PM

Re: GT classes
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ken robinson (Post 410685)
Just wondering why 1986 thunderbird is legal in ss , but 1987&1988 are not listed ? Is it what nobody called to get it in to the listings so it can be a legsl car like the 1986 ? If so who do you call and what you need to do ?

Ken,
This very subject came up in a thread on this site. (link below) Post # 8
I questioned the same thing about using my '87 TC in SS.

I think the general concensous was that any car listed in the classification guide was legal in SS, even if there were not 2 asteriks beside the h.p. number or a seperate SS column.

I am going to send an e-mail to NHRA tech to try to find out.

http://classracer.com/classforum/showthread.php?t=50013


EDIT: I'm pretty sure the 87-88 TC body is legal in SS/GT with a V-8.

Dick Butler 11-30-2013 04:47 PM

Re: GT classes
 
69 Corvette with New Factory motor ? WHich is the more bogus on HP?


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