Super Stock Trivia Question...
 

Hi, folks!

I'm trying to figure out the quickest and fastest pass by a manually-shifted Super Stocker. I'm running into a wall because I don't even know what some of the "crossover" class cars from Modified use for a transmission. Taking the "big four", for instance, (Clegg, Gove, Galina and that pesky Carey Bales), I'm not sure if ANY of them are manuals.

The question includes Libertys and other clutchless types.

So, who is it? I honestly don't know. If I had to take a guess, I'd probably pick one of the SS/AH stick cars...and you probably know which one I'd pick. :)

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Gotta be Bales...thing is a bullet.

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Carey in SS/DX 8.077 D3R1, but I don't think an S2000 is even in the classification guide?? Rick Houser with an 8.394 at the finals with Wescott power. Todd Patterson sometimes runs stick, not sure what he had at Topeka with the 8.107 SS/AM pass?
this is 2013 Nitro Joe's stats of course
Ernie Neal
SS 354
After researching DRC Patterson was running automatic for he was paired with another automatic competitor in the combo.
Carey did run 7.96 at the US National the year before. I think it was on the rain out return weekend.

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well BRETT!
I had the fastest car for a long time.8.27 I run a g force 5 speed! if this helps you!

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Charlie Westcott Jr. set the SS/AH record at 8.22 at South Georgia Motorsports Park in Nov. 2010. The record stood for 2 years at which point it was retired by the NHRA and reset to a minimum. It is now held by Gary Wolkwitz at 8.28. Other than Bales, Gove, Clegg, Patterson, and Gallina; that is the fastest Super Stock manually shifted run that I am aware of.

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John Gallina's car had an automatic transmission. To the best of my knowledge, it never had a stick.

c

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Scott Gove, i belive has the quickest stickshift Superstocker...

this was last year.. If my memory is right I think he went 7.96 a few years ago...

EPPING, N.H. - Final order after 3 rounds of qualifying in Super Stock at the NHRA Lucas Oil Drag Racing Series, Northeast Division, event at New England Dragway:

Psn--Num--Class-Driver, Home Town, Machine-----------------ET---Index---(+/-)

1 1340 SS/AM Scott Gove, Dennysville ME, '93 Daytona 8.079 9.00 -0.921
2 1116 SSA/A John Armstrong, Kingston NS, '69 Corvette 8.846 9.70 -0.854
3 1231 GT/IA Victor Santos, N. Reading MA, '85 Firebird10.358 11.20 -0.842
4 1027 GT/TC Mark LaBrecque, W. Springfield MA, '00 S- 10.343 11.10 -0.757
5 1223 SS/H Sean Gaffney, Rockland ON, '66 Chevy II 9.780 10.50 -0.720
6 1140 GT/CA Tom Boucher, Byfield MA, '97 firebird 9.699 10.40 -0.701
7 1318 SS/FA Joseph Hertline, Penfield NY, '67 Camaro 9.752 10.45 -0.698
8 1164 SS/EA Bruce Riley, Lake Echo NS, '71 Chevelle 9.661 10.35 -0.689
9 171 SS/TB Mark Markow, East Hartford CT, '00 S-10 9.265 9.95 -0.685
10 1638 GT/FA Ron Morehead, Milton NY, '82 Camaro 10.133 10.80 -0.667
11 106 GT/GA Jeff Roell, Poughquag NY, '93 Mustang 10.271 10.90 -0.629
12 1748 SS/IA Byron Worner, Duncannon PA, '96 Camaro 10.079 10.70 -0.621
13 15 GT/BA Kent Hanley, Newtown CT, '94 Cavalier 9.632 10.25 -0.618
14 3 GT/EA Bryan Worner, Duncannon PA, '90 Camaro 10.045 10.65 -0.605
15 1778 GT/HA Joe Santangelo, Marlborough CT, '87 Camaro10.463 11.05 -0.587
16 1222 SS/H Tony Fillipone, Hamstead NH, '66 Chevy II 9.958 10.50 -0.542
17 1163 GT/GA Blair MacDonald, Sackville NB, '86 Camaro 10.362 10.90 -0.538

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Excuse me if I am wrong, but didnt Bales run a "7"?

Casey

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Carey Bales has a Liberty in his car, so I believe it's the fastest.

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That's very true..I was thinking all motor. .

Sorry carey no disrespect bro...

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Obviously, we knew if Bales had a stick, the argument ended right there. Are we positive of this fact? I've haven't seen him hanging around here since the...ummm..."rules revision".

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Yes I was parked next to him in Atlanta 2013...it's a stick

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Scott Gove also ran 8.05 at the Epping National Event last year:

EPPING, N.H. - FastNews Network - Final order after 4 rounds of qualifying in Super Stock at the NHRA Mello Yello Drag Racing Series, Inaugural NHRA New England Nationals: Psn Driver Class Index ET Ov/Un
1. Byron Worner SS/IA 10.70 9.622 -1.078
2. Bo Kenney SS/AAA 9.40 8.366 -1.034
3. Victor Santos GT/IA 11.20 10.176 -1.024
4. John Armstrong SSA/A 9.70 8.682 -1.018
5. Guy DesJardins SS/FA 10.45 9.469 -0.981
6. Mark Markow SS/TB 9.95 8.998 -0.952
7. Jacques Blais GT/EA 10.65 9.699 -0.951
8. Scott Gove SS/AM 9.00 8.050 -0.950

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Carey Bales went 7.92 at Indy in 2012 which was the year that the race was completed the following weekend due to the remnants of Hurricane Isaac:

BROWNSBURG, Ind. - FastNews Network - Final order after one round of qualifying in Super Stock at the NHRA Full Throttle Drag Racing Series, 58th annual Mac Tools U.S. Nationals presented by Auto-Plus: Psn Driver Class Index ET Ov/Un
1. Carey Bales SS/DX 9.05 7.923 -1.127
2. David Tincher GT/CA 10.40 9.351 -1.049
3. Anthony Bongiovanni SS/CA 10.05 9.016 -1.034
4. Chad Taylor SS/KA 11.25 10.258 -0.992
5. Kevin Helms SS/DA 10.20 9.254 -0.946
6. Ron Terrell SS/JA 11.00 10.060 -0.940
7. Jeff Taylor SS/CM 9.50 8.570 -0.930
8. Paul Hellenberg GT/AA 10.10 9.184 -0.916
9. Rich South GT/FA 10.80 9.895 -0.905
10. Jeff Dona SS/HA 10.60 9.696 -0.904
11. Todd Frantz GT/DA 10.50 9.649 -0.851
12. Drew Allen GT/TB 10.85 10.006 -0.844
13. Lynn Ellison GT/DA 10.50 9.694 -0.806
14. Jim Harrison SS/KA 11.25 10.483 -0.767
15. Monte Howard SS/KA 11.25 10.487 -0.763
16. Larry Hodge GT/IA 11.20 10.440 -0.760
17. David Manning GT/C 10.20 9.453 -0.747
18. Rene Garza SS/PA 12.65 11.909 -0.741
19. Peter Biondo GT/DA 10.50 9.767 -0.733
20. Ernie Neal GT/C 10.20 9.480 -0.720
21. Aaron Disinger GT/HA 11.05 10.330 -0.720
22. Andy Kronenbitter GT/CA 10.40 9.684 -0.716
23. Leonard Mattingly GT/DA 10.50 9.813 -0.687
24. Mark Nowicki GT/EA 10.65 9.968 -0.682
25. Jeff Strickland GT/FA 10.80 10.142 -0.658
26. Frank Maiolo GT/BA 10.25 9.597 -0.653
27. Ricky Decker GT/EA 10.65 10.022 -0.628
28. Brad Zaskowski GT/F 10.60 9.987 -0.613
29. Arnie Martel SS/BM 9.20 8.595 -0.605
30. Ryan Haag SS/EA 10.35 9.748 -0.602
31. Bill Zaskowski GT/J 11.05 10.512 -0.538
32. Larry Stewart SS/IA 10.70 10.220 -0.480

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Thanks for your help, folks! I truly appreciate it!

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I know Scott Gove went a 7.96 at The Dutch in 2010.

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The Honda is a stick for sure, don't know if a 4 or 5 speed. There is a video of it on you tube at Indy where he was in the other lane beside my brother during qualifying. The pass was nasty quick, David was running GT/FA and I think the Honda was already on the return road when David crossed the finish line lol. Don Jackson

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Scott Gove's Daytona is a stick, a Liberty trans I believe.

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I've got a 5 speed G-Force GF2000 in my car…… for what it's worth.

One thing a lot of people tend to forget when comparing my car to other super stock cars is when I ran 7.92 in SS/DX trim I was on a 26" slick, no wheelie bars, no wing, 600+lbs over minimum, the engine and drive configuration that came in the car from the factory and a 100% stock chassis car. I know I have a turbo, but I don't have all of those other things that most "real super stockers" have that would definitely aid in making the car go faster. Just something to consider as I've heard more people than not refer to my car as "not a real super stocker" :)

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Maybe this is the reason they think it's not a "real superstocker", section 11A of the rule book.

already accepted Stock model required
The only Honda's listed are Civics 2006 and 2007. Get in touch with Honda, get that S2000 in there and come back racing with us.
There is a little turbo car in the guide you might be interested in, if Honda has problems getting with NHRA.

Ernie Neal
SS 354

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I did all of that. After a couple months of BS faxes, emails, phone calls, run arounds , I finally got ahold of the right person, with the right information and forms that NHRA requested. Then I was informed by Bruce at NHRA that I didn't need to submit the car because the "modified" section of Super Stock is a weight/cubic inch class, and the car didn't need added to the guide. I don't make the rules. Would of been nice to know that before spending all that time doing the work to get it submitted.

And last time I check I didn't know a Cavalier was a RWD V8 car. ;)

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Well, Carey I apologize.

I wasn't aware of that, must be how the VW is running too, now that I think about it.
Glad to here your going to be out more this year. Last past I saw you make at indy in the fall, you was all out of shape. Man that car is wicked fast.

Ernie Neal
SS 354

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Thanks.

Haha, yeah that was scary. I mean the car is always a bit unstable but that was ridiculous. I pretty much was bracing for impact. Guess my car doesn't like a cold track. :) that plus too much clutch and we just fixed a fuel pressure issue before that pass and we were putting down quite a bit more power than we ever had way too early. Guess we found what the car didnt want. Kind of got away from me.

I'll be attempting to run some comp this season.

And just so you know , my cavalier comment was tongue and cheek. No disrespect intended. Just wanted to clarify if the wink icon didn't dictate that.

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Someone correct me if I am wrong! I believe the MX class cars were created in the late 70's, for ex pro-stock cars, to use in Comp eliminator, with 4&6 cly engines. In the early 80's they were moved into Modified. After the demise of Modified eliminator, they were then absorbed into the Super Stock ranks. The cars themselves can be built very close to the early Pro-Stock rules, with complete tube chassis, fiberglass fenders, doors, hood, deck lid, lexan glass, etc.
Eddie Rezac

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As far as where the class started and where it went throughout the years I'm not sure of as I was just a kid in that era. But yes, the cars can be built as you described. However, mine isn't one of those cars. Imagine how it'd run if it were. :eek:

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Actually, the first year for MX was '75, IIRC. It was always a Modified subclassification and it was originally named "Mini Experimental". The first entries, (at Pomona that year), were two SCCA Toyotas. It was designed as a place for the non-VW four-cylinders so they wouldn't affect the Modified Compact (MC) classes. The NHRA later expanded the parameters to accommodate the V6s which became rampant a few years later.

Originally, the cars weren't permitted tube chassis. That came when "A" was allowed V6 engines and the class pretty much went full-tilt Pro Stock configuration around 1980. Many of you remember Mick Lieferman's white/orange Trans Am MX car; it was originally Ed Dixon's Hardy-built Pro Stocker.

BTW, I don't know why the current announcers call 'em "Modified Experimentals".