Ahfs at Gainesville?
 

Over one third of the cars in stock, ran 1 second or better under. Does this mean there is no AHFS at this race?

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1 second under is the trigger for review. Need 2 triggers. Can trigger review in same race by ding it in qualifying and eliminator.
1.2 under is the automatic hit on Monday.

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No factoring for any of the factory shootout cars!

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Larry that means they can go as fast as they want not get hit . Even if they go 2.0 or faster , is that fair to the rest of the racer ???? Just my two cents :eek:

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very interesting ?

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Nope.. especially not when they will make up the first 15-20 spots on the qualifying sheet by the time Indy comes.

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:eek: :eek: Here is my 2 cents, or more. I know this will upset some racers, but oh well. If the new cars are going to run in Stock Eliminator then the AHFS should apply. Of course they could just run their own deal and not put them in the lineup. I believe Randi Lyn should be number 1 qualifier.

Just so you know, I love the new cars. They are extremely fast. Just think the rules should apply to them also.

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I believe a lot of the new car guys agree with you sir but they haven't seem to be able to come up with that special class yet. I know some will say comp but....

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if any class needs help in entries fair to say comp?

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You are correct sir, but are the new cars really comp cars? What classes in comp would they fit in? I'm asking because I do not know.

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I don't think the "new" cars belong in Comp, but it needs to be figured out before too long. Didn't the new breed of cars begin in 2010 and here we are in 2014 still trying to figure them out?? With all the alphabet classes now being handed out ( see the "live fom the Gators 2014" thread or the thread about Chris Holbrook's 3 wally Thursday), something should be done before it gets any crazier??? I am not sure what the answer is, but maybe Bret Kepner can help with this. He seems to have a handle on class designations.

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what is a "real " comp car ?

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If we still had Farmer...... LOL

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As most know, our family races the new cars. I do agree that there are some rules that need to addressed. There are some significant issues that are to be addressed trying to differntiate the classes. Let's bond as racers and come to an amicable solution...afterall, aren't we all members, not soldiers?

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I believe that this is a golden opportunity to generate a class that is attractive to spectators, that see the same new cars on the road....How about "Pro Factory Stock" keeping 3 classes....no tube chassis.....factory interior......Lots of restrictions so the class doesn't get out of hand like "Pro Stock". Personally, I believe that the new cars are good for our sport, but, let's not let them get out of hand with modifications.

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Agreed!
Let the new SS become the new PS...get the manufacturers really involved...no aero adjustments!

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Nitro Joe Jackson has an idea (see the live at 2014 Gators thread). How about the cars be classified as SS/AFX, SS/BFX and SS/CFX which would take all the new cars out of stock and into ss. That would also get them off the 9 inch rear tires. Maybe limit them to an 11 inch tire. Indexes could be adjusted accordingly. How about 9.00, 9.40 and 9.80??

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Agree with the "no aero adjustments". Brett......these cars "have" to look like showroom cars. If manufacturers want an aero advantage......then the manufacturers can build a car with an advantage. I believe to be successful, the cars absolutely have to look like showroom cars.... I am also old enough to remember the saying "win on Sunday, sell cars on Monday" I still believe that is true.......

A current Pro Stock car does not come close to looking like a showroom car.....or for that matter, John Forces' Mustang, is no more a Mustang than our Dodge Dart....LOL

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The factory stock cars are in a class all by themselves, to bring them in line with everybody else in stock you have to lower there indexs. If you average the qualifying of the factory stock cars out you come up with 1.33 under,1.40 under if you throw out the car that was not 1. under. By using the ahfs system if you go 1.33 under your index is lowerd 3 tenths 1.40 is 4 tenths and if you go 1.65 you index would be .65 less. What difference does it make if all the factory stocks indexs where dropped 5 tenths they would still run the same ets just not as far under on the qualifying sheet. Tom

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Manufacturers apparently like their new stuff at the top of the sheet, and NHRA is eager to oblige. I don't understand; however, why they would "showcase" the FS cars and then just run their class eliminations on Thursday when spectator attendance is so low. Perhaps their marketing dept and webmaster dept are run by the same group, that would explain a lot.

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When I started this thread I was under the impression that nhra had adopted a "mine shaft" policy similar to comp eliminator.
Never Mind.

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I'm not sure that's why I was asking. I have asked and was told that none of my cars would fit into a comp class.

I'm sure the big three want to be at the top they are the ones producing the cars. I was thinking Modify Stock= MS/A B C and run in comp setting but make the bump at 1 under instead of 7.

You would think between the Candies, Richards, Holbrook, Butner, Skillmans, and the Teuton familes NHRA would sit down as ask just what we would like to do. I'm not excluding any of the other new cars they are invested in this as well, it's just those seem to have more than just 2 cars in each of the classes.

Who wouldn't like to see FAST racing between the new cars? Unfortunatly we have NEW cars the the slower class so will this fix the problem or just band aid it?

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I think the factory race cars surfaced in 2008 and the older combinations realized there was a problem then, now [6] SIX years later it's even worse, because they are still getting faster and I think a few combination still have more potential, it's obvious when they won't run it out the back door even at a NO Ahfs race, so it can get crazier. Some of the older combos may be capable of better numbers but why risk getting HP and hurt yourself. I have to go slap my wife and then go next door and kick my neighbors dog!?#*%$+= Okay I feel better now, my friends tell me life is short, enjoy your time. Others will tell you that you have to work harder and spend more money on your junk. More and more new cars are showing up so a heads up race becomes more frequent and what really sucks is when you know you don't even have chance unless ?#*%$+= I'm going to take a sip of that KOOL AID shut up and go away.

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I think it is one trigger per car at one race no matter how many one under runs by that one car

Some one please post the rule to correct me

Ron