When do I get my National Event without AHFS
 

I think it's great that the new cars get to race some of the National Events without the AHFS taking effect. But Why don't all of us poor stock guys get the same number of events without the AHFS? Indy would be even a better race if there was no AHFS. Maybe our reps could help us on this one. Even the ones that benefit from the way the system is now. Barry

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NATIONAL OPEN at NED - Barry!

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Everyone gets it at an open. I want it at a National Event. There is a big difference between an open and a National Event.

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[QUOTE=B Parker;424543 But Why don't all of us poor stock guys get the same number of events without the AHFS?/QUOTE]

Barry - Poor ? Really ........As long as I've known you poor is not a word I'd use to describe you ! ! !

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Jack, Why aren't you in Florida running some crazy numbers with the rest of them? Look I love the new cars. But 8:60's in STOCK REALLY!! And no AHFS. If nothing else at least run all of stock at the race without AHFS. With the air that good maybe a few of the older cars (guys) could tune them up for some big numbers. BP

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I'm in for that. No AHFS @ INDY YES!YES!YES!YES!YES!YES!YES!YES!YES! No fun hitting the brakes at 1000'

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Barry - Sorry to disappoint you but my COPO couldn't go 1.65 under while falling off a cliff .And BTW, I also agree with you - if the shootout cars are on the ladder there should be some sort of AHFS in place ......but I don't think we'll ever see it as getting the car companies and the NHRA on the same page will be tough .

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The air at Indy is generally pretty bad.If you have to worry about hitting the brakes at that race,your car might be in the wrong class to begin with.

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Div 4 guys don't think it is slow there. LOL
Some of you guys are spoiled.

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I have asked for years for a no AHFS race. First Indy, second Sportnationals, and we at least got the Opens. I will ask again. And again. This will make 3,487,868.3 times, but I don't go away easy. I think it is overdue and would add excitement to these races. I will also ask tor 9.95 and 10.20 indexes for the Shoot Out cars which was my number to begin with. Now under the old banner of 'be careful what you ask for, because you might get it', what are the downfalls? I'm sure my astute fellow racers have thought of this? I don't see any, but as Forrest Gump says, "I'm not a smart man".

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Hey Jeff,, What if we can get enough names on a petition... Just wondering

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NO I'm not in the wrong class, my car likes S--ty air and I work on it to make it the fastest it can be, I belive S-SS used to be a performance class after all , until some wanted to make it a freaking bracket race. No fan wants to come to the biggest race of the year and see your favorite car take a dump at 1000'. Open your eyes NHRA!

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Get it started and I'll sign it like "JOHN HANCOCK"

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It's no secret, the more noise you make, the more attention you get. Friendly emails to the officials, or ask the DD's to carry the message, copy the SRAC guys on what you do. See what response you get both from NHRA and the fellow racers.

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Make it easy. All sports nationals no AHFS. That way there's a few so it's not biased 1 coast or the other. Or put in center somewhere.

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I like it!

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Great reply, Jeff, I couldn't agree with you more. The fans come out on the days we run for class at Indy, and they want to see us race to the end, heads up. And have you noticed the slowest cars are the biggest complainers.

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Yes Jeff, but we are dinosaurs. Now way out numbered by bracket racers.

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For those upset at the AHFS,bracket racing,and slow cars........NHRA could always run off of the National Record like it used to be.

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It would be fine with me.

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So how does that work? I'm not familiar with how it used to be?

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Instead of indexes, we ran off national class records. Used to get points for setting records. We got 2 rounds worth of points for an ET record, one round worth of points for MPH records. Rounds used to be 10, instead of 100. Not sure why they are ten times as many now. Must appeal to somebody. We could only run 1/10th under without breaking out, except national event final rounds (under in a national final round was the new record) or during class. Was not a great lot of breaking out back then. Closer-to-the-record cars normally won. Bracket racing came along, and most of the slower guys went to that. Car counts dropped. If bracket racing had never happened, we might still be running off records. A lot of the time back then I was running off my own record. The first indexes weren't as soft as they are now. Evidently they slowed the indexes to get more slower cars back.

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:confused:When did they quit running off the National Record?? What was the reason in doing so?? Anybody recall. I know it will never happen, but if the NHRA went back to that format it would put an end to the 1000' qualifiers. I had a stock eliminator car briefly in the early 70's, but it was never fast. Just curious, and my 2 cents.

Just so you know, my car was a 1971 Torino w/ a 302 C4 combo - O/SA.

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I would go back to running off records now,back in the old days I was at a disadvantage because I was short on money raising a family now I can afford the best.

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Thanks for the explanation. So there weren't "minimum" records for the majority of the classes like now? :)

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Ed. Those days were nice. But we only used to get 1 or 2 races out of our front tires. No shoe polish then just hit the brakes hard at the big end. Cars went a lot slower then. Our B/SA Challenger run a best of 122 mph ( at Fremont CA) And back then they used an extra 60 to calculate the mph. The shoe polish helps to stop that.

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Ed, don't blame Bracket Racing for the demise of Class Racing. NHRA hasn't had the manpower to do proper teardowns on each Class winner and runner-up for longer that I've been Class racing! And the only way that we could go back to the old "ya gotta win Class to get in the field", "running off the National Record" days would be to have proper tech and teardowns again and that's not gonna happen.
Let's face the facts, NHRA was able to cut their work force AND increase participation by "dumbing" Stock and SS down. Bracket Racers just saw a good thing and moved in.

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BUT, How about just one National meet to run the way the did in the old days. Kinda like the ball teams wearing the "ole" uniforms. Never know til ya try.

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I never had a problem wearing out front tires. I was never fast enough to worry about going faster then the record. It certainly was a whole lot more fun for me anyway. Brakes are for after you cross the stripe.

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Think of a Hemi Challenger running down a Vega or a Pinto. More smoke at the finish than the burnout box. Plus we had a slight oil leak on the header that looked like we tossed a rod out the side at around the 1000'. Won many a round that way. Competition would lift figuring we broke and we would go roaring by.
And remember you could only dial under once. You had to run that dial the whole race

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Instead of running off of records,how about a race running off of the indexes? Never changing your "dial". Cobra Jets running low 10`s at 75 MPH!

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Only minimums for classes with records untouched for 2 years. Didn't happen a lot. Back then you got points for records and people seemed to take more pride is having a fast car. Not so many do now.

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Most of us simply slowed the car down if we needed it. Weight, back up the timing and short shifting. I had a spare tire nearly full of concrete, and the old Chevy 's back seat had enough room under the lower cushion to hide lead ingots or barbell weights.
Jack Mullins was the best I ever saw.

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you wouldn't be changing anything, they're doing it now. My bad they are going a little bit over 100 mph.