65 Plymouth wagon
 

Doing a Belvedere 1 6 passenger wagon with a 10:1 273 just have a few questions can I run a run a 4 barrel and can I run a 4 speed Trans thanks I am new to all of this but look forward to it also need help on what my index would be!

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2 BBL only. Compression somewhere around 8.5:1. No 273/4V hypo motors with the SW. Bill Koski is selling one in the classified but it is a sedan/hardtop.

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Go to NHRARACER.COM and look up the vehicle you want to run. Click on Stock Car Classification, then click on the year under the make you want to run. This will give you the info you want; motor, hp, weight, index. Then look under Engine Specs to find out about motor combo you want to run. Some will be auto only, some might be 2 bbl or 4 bbl only motors. I love wagons.

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Looks like U/S @ 14.65 or U/SA @ 14.85 index...3500ish pounds.

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If my memory serves me correct the 4bbl Hi-Po motor only came in the Dart and Barracuda and I think it was a 10.25:1 motor w/solid cam.

The 273 CI wagon only came with a 2bbl Carter Ball&Ball carburetor. Not sure if a 4 speed was available.

I am pretty sure you are going to have to run 8.5:1 CR pistons in your combo. However, a 65 Plymouth Wagon would be a cool piece.

Did the wagon come with a 361 or a 383 in 65? I would check out the big block combo because I think they were available with a 4bbl.

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I looked up Bill Koski 's car it's a 66 273 2 barrel with a 4 speed so I Think I can run a 4 speed because I think it was an option in my year not sure who I would check wit to be sure!

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Didn't some of those 273's come with a Stromberg 2bbl?

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Here you go... http://www.oldride.com/library/1965_...belvedere.html

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Yes i believe they did have a stromburg and on that link it says the 4 speed was an option on all belvedere and satellite models.

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A friend of mine used to run a 1965 Plymouth Valiant with the 273. I remember him telling me the 1965 273 had a bigger carb. From the specs from NHRA, it looks like the Stromberg has a slightly larger venturi than the Carter BBD.

180 273 DP 8.8 1-2 B&B BBD-3843S/SM 3844S/AUTO 2463252 1.5 M 57.3 B,5
Carter Carb sizes – 1437/1063
Strom Carb sizes – 1437/1125

It also looks like the 318s got a bigger carb. I never knew they were different.

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Awesome thank everybody for the info i am really excited about building this car i have a lot of the parts already just need to figure out what manual trans i can run for sure then i can get started building

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You could also get the 235HP 4 barrel 273 in a 65 Plymouth Valiant. I owned a 65 Valiant Signet 2 door hardtop with a 273/235HP 4 speed while I was in Grade 12 in high school. The weak links were the small diameter clutch, and small rearend, which I understand the 66 version had a 8 3/4 diff, but I think all the 273s used a small clutch. Of course that could all be upgraded. Angela Bushmaker races a 65 Valiant 235HP in K/SA here in Div.6, and it runs really well.

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anyone know this car or how to get a hold of paul wong this car is close to what i would need to run thanks

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Do a search of the Classifieds and I'm sure you'll find his number.

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Leave Paul a message.....He is on this site a bit.
He is one of the most savvy stock racer I know and
has been a help to use many times.

My partner was AHRA Stock world champion with a 361
65 Wagon in 1972. 383 is a excellent combo also.

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Dick Moreland and Clayton Wright are the masters of the 273. Their 65 Wagon has set the record numerous times.

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That would be the "Class of 65" wagon which has been owned by David (Rev) and Donna Koopman for many years and restored to it's former glory thru their efforts and the tutelage of Dick and others. They are very busy with work and Rev's ministry but I keep poking them to bring the car back out, it's a beauty. It's graced the pages of many Mopar magazines, I'll have to look for a good picture to post when I get some more time.

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Rory you are right the small rear end and clutch was a weak link in the Valiant, Dart, and Barracuda combination with the Hi-Po option. It had that 4 inch bolt pattern wheel and at one time you couldn't find nice wheels for it. Later on Cragar came out with a wheeI. I am pretty sure though an 8 3/4 rear end out of a 62 dart fit under the Barracuda with little issue. Brings back a lot of memories mine was a fun car to drive. I would love to find an unaltered Formula S 4 speed car, but they are scarce.

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Yes please post pics when you can and thanks to everyone for all the info thus far this is a good group of racers on here!

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Not the car I'm talking about although they were involved with that one. I'm talking about Clayton's "Slo-Motion" 65 Plymouth wagon that he still runs.

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The 4 speed is no problem it is legal....160 hp rated stock heads,
167 hp rated with Edelbrock 60767 replacement heads....with the 2 bbl carb, small bore and valves hard to say if the 60767 heads would be worth the cost.....also the Stromberg carb is a legal replacement

D L Rambo....STK 1300

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With all of the Killer cars in U/SA, and there is a bunch, I would give some strong thought about going with a 361 w/2bbl,or a 383 w/4bbl AFB ! Or even a 426 Wedge w/4bbl AFB ! The parts are available anywhere, and cheap ! No 4sp in Wagons in 65 ! I think ! ..John

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The info in my previous post is straight out of the classification guide...

The 273 is the only engine that is listed with a Stick option all other engines in the guide are Auto only combos.....


D L Rambo....STK 1300

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All the engines have a manual trans option Chrysler offered a 4 speed in all Belvedere body's in 65!

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Your just reading where I had the horsepower separated after the automatic horsepower hit on the automatics. I have several 64 65 66 stick cars. Mopar put a stick in anything including a C Body. I had a 426 4 speed 65 Monaco.