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rick lester 05-13-2014 11:46 PM

Super Stock GT
 
I don't have my rulebook with me at work, does the NHRA let 4 doors run now that the late model rule has been eliminated?

FireSale 05-14-2014 01:28 AM

Re: Super Stock GT
 
Still reads two door only. I checked the amendments, too. I think it has to do with the structural integrity of the car.

Dale

Rory McNeil 05-14-2014 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by FireSail (Post 431379)
Still reads two door only. I checked the amendments, too. I think it has to do with the structural integrity of the car.

Dale

I would have to think that a 4 door sedan would have more built in factory integrity than a 2 door hardtop or a convertible!

Jim Caughlin 05-14-2014 02:35 PM

Re: Super Stock GT
 
Bear in mind that when GT was introduced, the current model year car engines were for the most part not viable in SS. Because of that, the cars that were competing were getting older and older and therefore, Detroit's interest in Stock & SS was getting even further deminished. GT was an NHRA effort to make current model year cars more viable. With that in mind, they were looking for something more 'swoopy' so they limited it to 2 doors. As time progressed, the 1985 model year rule didn't change so the idea that GT was limited to relatively current model year wasn't really a factor and inevitably done away with completely. The other interesting limit was that GT was and is V8 only. I'd very much like to build a 4 cylinder GT car but it's not legal. Same issue with non 2 doors as is being questioned, just the way the rules were written at the time.

FireSale 05-14-2014 05:58 PM

Re: Super Stock GT
 
Jim, your Escort is trouble enough in Stock. We don't need you in GT...:cool:

Dale

SSDiv6 05-14-2014 08:29 PM

Re: Super Stock GT
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by FireSail (Post 431379)
Still reads two door only. I checked the amendments, too. I think it has to do with the structural integrity of the car.

Dale

Incorrect, it has to do with what will sell to the public.
structurally, convertibles and 4-door cars flex less due to the fact the frames have thicker gage materials and more structural reinforcements.

rick lester 05-14-2014 09:29 PM

Re: Super Stock GT
 
Stock, org. Super Stock you can race pretty much any body style. Hell, Competition Plus is showing the build of a station wagon for a mod class in S.S. but a 4 door or a station wagon can't run SSGT. Someone offered me a 91 Caprice for almost nothing, supposibly locked motor. If there was IHRA races closer, I would build a Stock GT car.

FED 387 05-14-2014 11:38 PM

Re: Super Stock GT
 
2 door coupe/ 2 door sedan/ convertible/ station wagon accepted in SS/GT--- NO 4 DOOR vehicle mentioned

FireSale 05-15-2014 01:22 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by FED 387 (Post 431498)
2 door coupe/ 2 door sedan/ convertible/ station wagon accepted in SS/GT--- NO 4 DOOR vehicle mentioned

That's what it says, but I've never seen a two door station wagon.

Dale

FED 387 05-15-2014 09:16 AM

Re: Super Stock GT
 
4 DOOR SEDAN OR 4 DOOR Hardtop is NOT accepted ---any kind of Station Wagon 2-3-4-5-6 doors would be an acceptable car---just not a 4 door sedan/hardtop

Logus 05-15-2014 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by FireSail (Post 431502)
That's what it says, but I've never seen a two door station wagon.

Dale

A few, plus the Chevelles, etc.
Not counting the other mfgs.
Not old enough to remember Paul Blevins?

Myron Piatek 05-15-2014 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by FireSail (Post 431502)
That's what it says, but I've never seen a two door station wagon.

Dale

Wasn't there limited run of Chevy Nova 2 door station wagons in the mid-'60's? I believe one was run in SS/KA years ago. Jim Wahl would know who I'm talking about.

FireSale 05-15-2014 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Logus (Post 431527)
A few, plus the Chevelles, etc.
Not counting the other mfgs.
Not old enough to remember Paul Blevins?

I'm 66. All the wagons I remember hauled bunches of kids. They had 4 doors.

Dale

Rory McNeil 05-15-2014 11:59 AM

Re: Super Stock GT
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by FireSail (Post 431540)
I'm 66. All the wagons I remember hauled bunches of kids. They had 4 doors.

Dale

Actually 2 door station wagons were quite common in the 50s, and into the early 60s. In your 66 years you have never seen a 55-57 Chevy Nomad? They were all 2 door wagons. Although I believe all the Chevy 11/Nova wagons were 4 doors, Ford made Falcon wagons as either 2 or 4 door versions thru 64 or 65, and 2 door Chevelle wagons were made in 64 and 65. In fact Pat Brooks from the Seattle WA area here in Div. 6 ran a 64 Chevelle 2 door wagon in M& N/SA for several years.(He owns 2 of them). When I was a kid, my dad drove a 58 Ford 2 door Ranch Wagon, instead of having roll down windows where the rear doors would be on a 4 door version, the windows slide back. Not sure what Chevy and Pontiac did on their 2 door wagon windows.

Alan Nyhus 05-15-2014 12:07 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Myron Piatek (Post 431536)
Wasn't there limited run of Chevy Nova 2 door station wagons in the mid-'60's? I believe one was run in SS/KA years ago.

Yes, there were...mostly '63-'65's. Our local natural gas company had several of them around town. I tried over the years to track a complete one down. Closest I came was the shell in a small salvage yard 40 miles west of here........ -Al

ALMACK 05-15-2014 12:39 PM

Re: Super Stock GT
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Caughlin (Post 431442)
Bear in mind that when GT was introduced, the current model year car engines were for the most part not viable in SS. Because of that, the cars that were competing were getting older and older and therefore, Detroit's interest in Stock & SS was getting even further deminished. GT was an NHRA effort to make current model year cars more viable. With that in mind, they were looking for something more 'swoopy' so they limited it to 2 doors. As time progressed, the 1985 model year rule didn't change so the idea that GT was limited to relatively current model year wasn't really a factor and inevitably done away with completely. The other interesting limit was that GT was and is V8 only. I'd very much like to build a 4 cylinder GT car but it's not legal. Same issue with non 2 doors as is being questioned, just the way the rules were written at the time.


I agree on the 4 cyl.
While I can run my car in SS/PA, it would be nice to be able to put that same turbo 2.3 in a lighter based body.

It would be nice if NHRA changed the GT rule to:
"Any year eligible SS engine allowed in any year eligible SS body" ( within the same corporate make of course)

The 14.0 lbs. per fact. h.p would limit certain combos tho.

Andrew Hill 05-15-2014 04:05 PM

Re: Super Stock GT
 
Speaking of station wagons, has anyone else thought about how cool it would be to build a Ford Flex, tubbed, big tires, 4-link, wheelie bars, sitting nice and low, 500hp SS only CJ engine (big blower) to run GT/AA or GT/BA. Well over 1000hp and 4170 lb in A or 4420 in B. Little bit of a different kind of FWD conversion.

FireSale 05-15-2014 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew Hill (Post 431567)
Speaking of station wagons, has anyone else thought about how cool it would be to build a Ford Flex, tubbed, big tires, 4-link, wheelie bars, sitting nice and low, 500hp SS only CJ engine (big blower) to run GT/AA or GT/BA. Well over 1000hp and 4170 lb in A or 4420 in B. Little bit of a different kind of FWD conversion.

Talk about a bad aero package...:eek:

Dale

FED 387 05-15-2014 06:40 PM

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and itsa effen ugly car to boot!!!

Ed Wright 05-15-2014 07:44 PM

Re: Super Stock GT
 
^^^^^^ What he said! LOL

Dick Butler 05-15-2014 09:16 PM

Re: Super Stock GT
 
Why not build what is currently the fastest car and make it better? Why not try to outrun a current combination by working harder? I know the idea of being different is attractive but if you win are you faster or just better factored?

Greg Hill 05-16-2014 07:54 AM

Re: Super Stock GT
 
Hey guys, easy on the Flex. I love my Flex. Best car I've ever owned.

sscrewcheif 05-19-2014 05:44 PM

Re: Super Stock GT
 
Brett Brown runs a 4door in SS. I believe its in M". not sure if that helps any...

NORVELL BOWERS 05-20-2014 01:43 PM

Re: Super Stock GT
 
I would have never guessed you to be a Flex guy Greg? lol You still have the GTO ?


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