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hardtimes 07-17-2014 03:52 PM

Help with a Stocker
 
I am at the beginning stages of thinking about building a stocker.
Looking at a 67/68 Mustang coupe looking at the 390 combo that would run D/SA
I have a 67 Coupe that has a 302 in it and already has a 9" rear. Just bought it over the winter car is in good shape.
I am a big fan of stockers but don't know a lot about them and now one where I live knows anything about them
I am looking for some good contact numbers suggestions for engine, trans, converter, etc.
Also I know this is a tough question buy what kind of money would I be looking at building this car from scratch to one that could .6 or .7 under in the heat.
Any and all help appreciated, PM's welcomed. Thanks

FireSale 07-17-2014 04:33 PM

Re: Help with a Stocker
 
Unless my records are out of date, the stock factor for the 68 coupe is 10.18 and the SS factor is 9.87, That's E/SA and SS/HA. I don't have the 67 coupe in my build folder. Stock is at the top of the weight bracket and SS is towards the bottom. Check these numbers with what is current and read the rule book over and over. Then start the process again. No kidding here.

I'm building a 68 coupe for SS or GT and it's very easy to make a mistake that winds up costing you $1000 because you didn't cross reference the rules before buying parts. $40,000 in a competitive race car isn't a stupid number.

You can't legally bolt HP onto a stocker, but you can tweak the engine quite a bit. It takes an engine builder to do something like that and stay in the rules. Stock racers are all engine experts and engineers at heart who love the challenge of squeezing something out of nothing.

A c4/c6 is a good trans. A race prepped one is $2000.
A Ford 9 inch is a good rear end. A race prepped one is $2000.

See where this is going?

My advice is build your car one piece at a time. Put tires and a good rear end on it and hit the track. Build up from there.

Good luck.

Dale

Jim Kaekel 07-17-2014 04:51 PM

Re: Help with a Stocker
 
It would be alot to cheaper to buy an existing car rather than build one from scratch.

vic guilmino 07-17-2014 05:53 PM

Re: Help with a Stocker
 
i have a 460 tbird gt/ha for sale

Mike Gray 07-17-2014 07:09 PM

Re: Help with a Stocker
 
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I started on one and I'm building it from scratch ('67 Shelby). It's taking a while since I'm spreading out the cost. you can email me at Mikeg@floorsbysignature.com
if you want to ask any questions. (I'm about 1/2 done and figuring it's going to be at least $40K)

FireSale 07-17-2014 08:55 PM

Re: Help with a Stocker
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Gray (Post 438223)
I started on one and I'm building it from scratch ('67 Shelby). It's taking a while since I'm spreading out the cost. you can email me at Mikeg@floorsbysignature.com
if you want to ask any questions. (I'm about 1/2 done and figuring it's going to be at least $40K)

Funny, that pic looks exactly like my garage tonight right down to the Cal Traks, jack stands and floor jack. I even have the passenger side door off my 68 coupe. Small world when you're having fun. Been working on it every day for a year now.

Dale

Chris1529 07-17-2014 09:03 PM

Re: Help with a Stocker
 
Don't use a C6 trans. You don't need it and it is just a horsepower hog.
Any good built C4 will easily handle a 390 stocker.

Joe Toller 07-17-2014 09:37 PM

Re: Help with a Stocker
 
Buy one, don't build. Then you can get out there and race, find out what you like and don't, maybe even a better idea of what you want if and/or when you upgrade or build your own. but to start out, buy one. Don't make the mistake alot of us have. Had I just put my pride and ego away and listened I'd be racing, not making failed project after failed project...

Mike Gray 07-17-2014 10:26 PM

Re: Help with a Stocker
 
One more thing, if it's a nice car sell it and get another. I would not have done this to a nice fastback. After you gut the car and alter the wheel well openings there is no going back. Things like heaters, wipers, vents, rear seats only get in the way, you need to get it light and then add back weight where needed.

Bob Emery 07-17-2014 10:38 PM

Re: Help with a Stocker
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Toller (Post 438236)
Buy one, don't build. Then you can get out there and race, find out what you like and don't, maybe even a better idea of what you want if and/or when you upgrade or build your own. but to start out, buy one. Don't make the mistake alot of us have. Had I just put my pride and ego away and listened I'd be racing, not making failed project after failed project...

What he said, in spades! If I'd have just bought at the beginning of my quest I'd be racing instead of sitting on the sidelines.......

Sean Marconette 07-17-2014 11:13 PM

Re: Help with a Stocker
 
Where are you located? Attend class races in your area, and start asking questions and looking at the cars. You have to own a rule book, read the stock and general sections.

Sean

HandOverFist 07-18-2014 01:02 AM

Re: Help with a Stocker
 
Been said before...buy, don't build. ;)

Rory McNeil 07-18-2014 03:15 AM

Re: Help with a Stocker
 
Be aware that the 390 for 1968 doesn`t get to use the aluminum PI intake and larger Holley that the 67 (as well as 66 Fairlane/Comet) do.

impstocker 07-19-2014 07:12 AM

Re: Help with a Stocker
 
Just my opinion, adding I am bias because I am building my own Stocker. If he already has the car isn't that already a great start? I can't imagine you can come across a 67 Mustang real cheap, imagine how much a built 67 Mustang BIG Block Stocker would cost? Probaly real close to that 40K being tossed around. You can buy a built stocker like a Chevy Malibu 305 car maybe for 15K to 20K if you just want to race.

I am not to sure if my ego and pride is in the way of buying a built race car, but personally my check book is in the way- I could not shell out that type of money at once, so that was not an option for me.

I built my 68 Impala in early 2000's costing 15K in parts doing all the work myself. That was a I/S 396/325 that would run .7 under. Car was sold to someone who restored it back to stock (original 427/425 car) I bought all the race parts back including engine, rear for only 3K , so in my case It makes sense. I came across a "body" 1965 Impala for $1000 off of EBAY so in the end I will spend no more than 10K or LESS building this car, the main savings being I do all the work myself. My 65 is in the Build section of forum.

Let us not forget the self satisfaction in building your own car, making that first pass. I remember making my first 11 second pass in my 68 Impala, in a combination everybody said would not work.

Well, I need to get back to work building my racecar, can't spend all day on the internet.

Will Lamprecht 65 Impala in progress. I/SA 396/325

7423 07-19-2014 07:42 AM

Re: Help with a Stocker
 
No regrets here............I built mine with alot of help from my friends. I bought it as a 100% stock and street legal car, drove it home. I race it most every weekend on pump gas and change to the list legal stuff when racing Stock. If I was to do it all over again, I would build another. In my 40 plus years of racing, this is the most fun I have ever had.

Billy Nees 07-19-2014 08:10 AM

Re: Help with a Stocker
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by impstocker (Post 438373)

Well, I need to get back to work building my racecar, can't spend all day on the internet.

Will Lamprecht 65 Impala in progress. I/SA 396/325

Personal Satisfaction or Instant Gratification, take your pick.
Build your own, take it to the track and see how you compare to your peers or write the check.

Paul Merolla 07-19-2014 09:03 AM

Re: Help with a Stocker
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Billy Nees (Post 438381)
Personal Satisfaction or Instant Gratification, take your pick.
Build your own, take it to the track and see how you compare to your peers or write the check.

Amen! It may take awhile, but it makes the racing that much more fun.

Run to Rund 07-19-2014 11:24 AM

Re: Help with a Stocker
 
As others said, if the car is very clean and rust free, sell it to a collector and start with something you can buy that is part way toward where you want to be. You can end up with a lot of money in "stock" heads, etc. trying to get those last couple tenths. Check around that the expertise is out there to save yourself expensive development costs. Also, I know of a good stock racer who has put a lot of money into his 69 and still struggles; he did hold the record about 7-8 years ago but all it takes is a killer combination to make all your work ineffective. In his case, it was the HP rating on the Z28 combined with Stock allowed changes that allows them to run 9000 rpm. The situation pretty much ruined D/S for every other combination. Another guy ran an unusual car in D/S and it too has been rendered a garage potato by NHRA's HP factors and their focus on favoring certain combinations rather than actively promoting "diversity."


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