How about buy-backs in stock and super stock
Before anyone cries out sacrilege or let's burn him at a stake, I have to say with the dwindling of cars at events this might be worth while looking into this type of multiplying cars at the events. All first round runner up would have to run the same, I personally think that this might help.Now think about it… mmmmmm a second chance to rectify that last run. Something to think about.Claude
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One of the local tracks has buy backs. I don't mind but I think it should be for a losers bracket. I said that. Losers bracket. A chance to be the best runner up.
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I sure hope you are wearing some sort of fire proof suit because dude you are going to get burned here....LOL
Stocker racers don't buy into things like buybacks.....and car counts in Stock are usually the highest of all categories so your way off base here.... and although SS has lower car counts I would predict they are even more opposed to buybacks....... |
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Not a chance in hell!
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If you asked the super class index racers, most would be in favor of buy backs. Stock and SS racers, a very different breed, and in my opinion, very much against buy backs. That being said, I am sure the responses here will be very interesting to say the least...........................
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No to buybacks. If it were a 'second chance' race, for all first round and/or second losers for an extra shot at money in their own race, I would be OK with it. But, not putting them back into the next round of the main race. Leave that for local bracket racing.
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This poses an interesting question. Since "buy-backs" are a money making proposition for the promoters, It's amazing that NHRA hasn't already started doing this................
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The only reason for buybacks is to pump up the purse or help the track meet expenses.....I have never bought back even at my local track when bracket racing..... Consolation race yes sure why not....buybacks no.... |
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I would drive across the country, go out 1st round, and still not want a buy back. :eek:
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"Just Say No To Buybacks".
Not even an option.... |
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NHRA could make enough to raise the sportsman purse! |
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Cicero819, ( Claude )
What kind of Stocker or S/S do you own or drive ?? Thanks, but No-thanks!! Leave Stock & S/S alone , we have enough things to argue/ fight about ? As Rich said we are still drawing Racers, let's Fix payouts & other things ... |
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Rich, my friends are already stoking the fire as we speak. I was just thinking about implementing at races where stock and super stock haven't done too terrific lately in the car count area, Denver comes to mind and some of the western stops would get some extra cars. Just like most of you I've been old school, you lose and pack up for home but after talking with a former drag racer racing in stock eliminator and now enjoying racing Miata's series and low bucks road racing, he said that he would consider racing in stock if they had buy-backs. His way of thinking is that since they're no more class racing the BB would make up for the hurry and wait time that he's wasted so much, now he races for three solid hours for his $200 a big difference in his humble opinion. Don't wait like Captain Edward J. Smith and not plan for what might be just around the corner.Claude P.S b Dave I am a fan of stock eliminator and have own my share of Stock eliminator cars in the 80's and currently have a new style Camaro 2000 sitting in my garage. I know that you've been racing for a long time and paid your dues but it doesn't make you the gate keeper. I was totally against the idea in bracket racing but after trying it I have to say that it helps the track operator and that can't be a bad thing. So if only people who races have a word to say about stock eliminator than expect a short life span.Claude Ruel
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I would just bracket race! |
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A separate race or "last chance eliminator" for say anyone who lost 1-3rnd round might be an option but would be very hard to do with just stock or just super stock. need a new ladder, qualifying, not many cars, etc.. I also hate buybacks and think this is a bad idea at this level.
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I know your heart is in the right place, Claude, but this would NEVER work for a number of very good reasons, some of which have already been mentioned. A few of the local tracks tried changing the name to "re-entry" and having the first round 'runner-ups' race each other for a spot in the second round, separate from the winners. It didn't matter WHAT you called it, it was not well received! Most of our races also feature a Saturday "Combo", which makes a lot more sense, for both the racers and the promoters!
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Claude ,
You sound just like the people in the early 70's who said that Class Racing was dead.. It's 44 years later & it's the strongest class in NHRA .. Anyway, I don't like buy-backs either, but I also have a vote !!! Someone tell me why all the buy-backs go to the track & not to the Winnings ??? I think if you want Buy Bucks , you go Bracket Racing ............ Claude, The Denver thing is a track problem ? National events are a whole different problem ? |
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What about the ladder system for qualifying? What about heads up rounds? Maybe have buy backs in class at Indy??? To me it would seriously dilute what the performance based classes are all about. |
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I am a bracket racer, I don't mind buy backs (first round only) EXCEPT a first round winner shouldn't have to race a first round loser in the second round! all the 1st round losers should be paired in the second. At a PSCA race in May I had to beat the same guy twice...I went on to win it so I guess I shouldn't complain! M2C
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Not sure about buy backs but I am in favor of double divisional's, 2 races 1 weekend it's a win win.
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I guess the next suggestion is double eliminations ??? LOL Personally I like losing first round and going home, I dont feel so bad on Monday at work. Buy backs really ???......if he can be funny I can too. NO buy backs.
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IHRA just had a double race at Cordova last weekend.About 25 total SS and Stks showed up for it!!!
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No to buy backs but yes to some sort of consolation race for first and maybe second round losers.
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Not a fan of buybacks. However IF THERE IS SHOE POLISH INVOLVED IT IS A BRACKET RACE No matter what!
There is nothing cooler than Stock or Superstock but with the exception of heads up runs IT IS A BRACKET RACE! |
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NO BUYBACKS!!!!! EVER!!!!!
Thats why the call it eliminations!! You lose, go home, go away, I don't want to see you again Buybacks turns racing into gambling and should be illegal |
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No buybacks in my opinion.
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No buybacks ... leave things alone !
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Lets think about this in a rational and beneficial way.
No buy backs, it is eliminations, you lose, your out, end of conversation. All first and second round losers are eligible for a consolation race, at a reasonable price, for a reasonable purse for the winner only, as it is now considered double elimination. Everybody wins, the track, racers, sponsors (exposure), losers. This way no egos are hurt, there is still an all out winner, and the early round losers have a second chance to race. What would be the problem? Ron Ortiz U/SA redemption racing |
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Why not give everyone a "Participation Wally."
This is stupid... Even T-ball kids know the score, and who won or lost when the score is not kept. If you don't like the rules take your stocker or superstocker and go to your local bracket race. The bonus is they don't weigh, have fuel check, or heads up runs! And then if there is something you don't like you can change their rules, not ours! |
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Something to try for the Divisional tracks. Take the round losers..put them back on a Sportsman ladder in the order they were in qualifying...Five minutes or less you've got a ladder.. $20 from the racer, $20 from the track..Pay W and R/U. Who's gonna complain? The people in the stands? They're just family and crew anyway. Might pick up a few more cars for the main event with this.. |
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Are you for real , or what ?
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I failed to mention that my Redemption Race would not be applicable at National Events.
At Divisional and Opens, it is quite sensible. What would really make it fun is if they combined Stock, SS, SC, SG, SST for the Redemption Race, or maybe not. Hey Bill, congratulations on your race car preparation and Brenda's driving. BTW, they already have "Participation Wallys", it is that "Participant Decal" you get when you get your credentials. Ron Ortiz U/SA thinking outside the rules |
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Why not go to Sealy, TX. A really nice 1/8 track. They have a system that might work: there are colored lights atop the tower. You can enter two different brackets and buy back in both brackets. You can run yourself in the final. A few years back, my son beat the same guy 3 times in one night. When your color is up, go race. When your second color is up, go race again. Winners run each other. Pretty simple really.
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If I was to buy back who would cook the hot dogs and drink the beer? never thought of that did ya?
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Hey Joe Cool, I have the answer. First round loser of the Redemption Race of course.
Personally, I choose to heal my wounds with food and beverages as soon as I become from competitor to spectator. The buy back concept feels like you lost a double header. Ron Ortiz U/SA prolonging the agony |
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