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I counted 71 New Cars That Qualified Out Of 128 Cars.

By New Cars I mean 2008 & Up.

Seems to me they should have a 64 Car Field Just For Them and the cars
that didn't get in COULD be in, in the 128 car field, instead of them going home
as a non- qualifier.

And I Know All Racers Know This Going In.

Seems like their is enough of new cars out there to be in their "Own Eliminator"

Just my 2 cents.

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I think you are dead on with this thought. The other part of it is the fact that they are not subject to the AHFS when they are in the factory shoot out classes. It won't be to much longer until these will be the only cars in stock at Indy if this is not addressed.

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Next year there will be 128 pick up trucks and all the newer cars will be DNQ.

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Like! :)

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THAT is funny!

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I look at the new names in this class that have a copo,,drag pak,cobra jet,that are in the show and alot of hard workin drivers that have tweaked almost every bit of H.P out of their combos for years lookin in,.Back in the 60,s they made x amount of factory race cars,now this is a production run of them it seems,hey ,they are fast cars and sharp,but it should have been a limited run of them and THATS IT an old friend used to say. Thats my opinion.

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How nhra can justify having combinations that can run balls-out with no penalty on the same qualifying sheet as combinations that are penalized with more HP if they exceed an ET is beyond any rational persons comprehension!!!!!

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A decision like this would make a lot of sense. I believe many of these cars are still being run conservatively. If they were separated it would be some exciting racing with a level of competition with "all the cards on the table". The majority of the cars that did not qualify still all run respectively under their indexes and normally would have been part of a National Event Show. Maybe "they" have recognized it as being the "Stock Eliminator" (interpretation). The best part of the Final Stock Qualifying was who was on top. MB.

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Just got back from Indy and I have to say that you cannot have any more cars in there, are you going to now show up on Saturday of the previous week to qualify and make runs. Just look after the accident involving Calvert's Mustang running into the sand trap and getting caught by the safety strapping it took NHRA working at full bore three hours to return to action, consider that all cars having diapers have saved the track cleaning time, it's still incredible that they can get all the show in. Yes I know class qualifying and elimination isn't what it was once but it still is one hell of a show. Hopefully the Jeg's SportsNational will bring back the rests of the show. All I can Say is that I love Indy even at 100 degrees over temp.lol Claude Ruel

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You'd be amazed what could be done if the show was better run.

If you took the new cars and put them in their own Factory Experimental class, as has been suggested for the last 5-6 years, you could get them on the grounds. You'd have a 64 car field. You had 34 of them in the top of Stock on the qualifying sheet. Drop the Stock quota to 180 and there is a room for 20 cars right there.

Factory Experimental would be the solution to so many problems. And give the factory what they really want from those cars.

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Hehehehe :rolleyes:

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Yes, I agree with you Bill.
Should not be on same qualifying sheet with NO penalty towards the AHFS.

Than the other cars should be able to go ALL OUT With No Penalty As Well.
Make it fair for everyone.

Or as i stated in my 1st post: Put them in their own Eliminator, their is enough cars
that's for sure.

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On Facebook, I suggested letting them run their traditional (AAA, AA, BB CC, etc) in Q-1-2-3, then change weight and stuff to run the FSS race. Might help, might not. I do think they should get HP, but things are kind of skewed. What does, say, a FS/B COPO weight in FS/B compared to BB/SA? What is the fair way to give hp for a "fake" Class/Index?

While we are at it, why not let ALL the new cars into FSS? The lower-HP cars compared to the big cars, cars in say C/SA down, cars like Charley Downing, etc. Why not let all cars in FSS, run it like Comp, handicapped start, flat out.? That way, they could all stay in their own class, and be eligible for AHFS penalties.

Unless that's the way NHRA and the OEM's want it with FSS. Heads-up, run hard, no penalty. $$$$$ talks.

Just some thoughts.

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If these cars were held to the AHFS, I would thank that they would back there cars down to about one second under, still end up near top of list. Seems that same cars would still be going home.

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In 1972 NHRA attempted to legislate an arbitrary "10-year rule" for Stock Eliminator. It was a poorly conceived plan that failed for a variety of reasons, not the least of which was the first OPEC/Big Oil-engineered fuel shortage crisis and the ensuing horsepower reductions across the American car market. For over 20 years very few high performance cars were manufactured for the domestic market and most of them were at a competitive disadvantage when paired against existing combinations. The "classic" muscle cars ruled in Stock Eliminator. Eventually, only cars manufactured in 1959 and earlier suffered banishment from the eliminator bracket.

In either 1997 or 1998, the Official Rulebook included paragraph inviting OEM to create "special production runs" of vehicles that "need not be showroom available" to be included in the Classification Guide. It only took ten years for manufacturers to avail themselves of this opportunity and begin licensing outside vendors to begin spitting out cookie-cutter models and kits of race-only "Stockers." (That brings to mind the old joke about a football game during which one team retired to the locker room and it only required eight plays for the inept competition to find the end zone.)

Fast forward to 2014 and finally someone has devised a means to the ultimate goal of a Stock Eliminator field composed only of late model factory Stock cars. Give a few models of very expensive, purpose-built factory race cars a free pass to compete without the artificial ceiling of the AHFS and we're only a heart-beat away from Nirvana, a field composed of only cars that are newer than 10 years! It's funny how things work out.

c

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Well stated ,Chuck..Wish you would post here more often.
Of course, there are a few "renegades" like Larry Hill, Gary Summers, and Paul Wong
mucking up the works.
Will we see another "rule change" soon? Most likely!

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I remember being in high school and seeing Mike Walters at Quaker City on Friday night for test-and-tune with his '67 Camaro Stocker changing converters in the dark trying to squeeze out a few more hundreths. That has stuck with me for 30 years. In my humble opinion that is what Class Racing is all about. When you can go out now, spend 6-figures, and buy something that has to lift at the 1000' mark and still qualifies in the top of the field it makes me think NHRA is missing the point. I don't begrudge the folks that run them and Lord knows if my wife and I could afford one we'd buy it but I don't think it's healthy for the sport how they're doing it and believe it will be the demise of Class Racing. We have a 2004 Corvette that is legal for IHRA Pure Stock but why would I spend the time, effort and money to go run B/SA in IHRA when Wilkes is now running solidly in the 9.80s with his new COPO? That makes zero sense.

Scott

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Since the beginning of Pro Stock, it was my favorite class. Over the past several years, as the Pro Stocks have gone the route of Funny car....perhaps a slight resemblance to a production body, my interest has deteriorated.
Why not re-engineer Pro Stock based on these new factory muscle cars and reinvigorate the excitement in doorslammer racing that was the basis for this great sport. Hell, have a 64 car field and get the juices flowing.
After a 43 year career in the auto industry, the one constant was change. If your organization did not constantly look ahead and navigate the ever changing marketplace, you were doomed to fail. Creativity and a bit of risk taking are ingredients to success.
The new cars are a great addition to the sport. They just need to find the right home for them to compete in. I hope the leadership (another key success factor) of our sanctioning bodies is equipped to deal with this need. If not, like in other businesses, get the right leaders in place and move forward.

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Mike used to run all the Div 1 races, If you came over to say Hi, you were talking to his feet because he was under the car and many times after the sun went down.

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To me that was the cool part about class racing. Guys and gals thrashing on the car between rounds to squeeze every last bit of ET out of their combination. I'm not familiar with the new cars other than from a spectator's viewpoint and don't know if they require as much "parts testing" etc. but I just don't see it being the same. Mike was laying on the asphalt that night between testing hits changing the converter on his back with a flashlight late at night. If I remember correctly he was alone. I was impressed by that.

Scott