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FINESPLINE 09-02-2014 05:49 PM

Ignition wires
 
Any recommendation for ignition wires. Using an MSD 6 AL plugged to a MSD billet distributor w/ HEI hat. The more you read, the more confusing it is. Thanks in advance.------John

Alan Roehrich 09-02-2014 06:20 PM

Re: Ignition wires
 
Had good luck with Moroso 40+.

Tim H 09-02-2014 07:33 PM

Re: Ignition wires
 
MSD 8.5 mm Super Conductor (I too use a 6AL with the Billet MSD distributor, BBC high 9 second ride)

FINESPLINE 09-02-2014 08:04 PM

Re: Ignition wires
 
Well , I guess I am on the right track as those two sets of wires are my picks so far. Anybody have any experience with the Granatelli wires ? Read an article on them. Almost to good to be true----of course ! Read some comments on an ignition wire -------not so good . I guess the basis of comparison is
ohms per foot.

Myron Piatek 09-02-2014 08:10 PM

Re: Ignition wires
 
I've been using Accel 8.8 300+ race wires on my car for many year to compliment the Mallory Hy-Fire 6AL ignition box, coil & billet distributor. I buy the cut-to-fit wires to minimize any excess length and route them in a convenient path. Wires are changed every several years as preventive maintenance. They never gave me a problem. Only had a minor distributor wire connector problem once with the rest of it. Otherwise, its pretty much been install & forget!

Tom Goldman 09-02-2014 08:14 PM

Re: Ignition wires
 
Like all race car parts, your experience with other racers favorite parts may vary .
Keeping that in mind , I've had excellent results with the Moroso 40's . Treat them well , keep them clean and away from the headers ,and they will last several years.
I had old Moroso 80 ohm wires on my car for at least five years with no problems and only replaced them when I was chasing an ignition box problem.
Spend the money on the sleeves, well worth it.

Sean Marconette 09-02-2014 11:10 PM

Re: Ignition wires
 
Had Accel 8.8 wires on my car for the first 2 years then installed my data acquisition system and had all kinds of noise issues on the rpm channels. I called Computech and they suggested MSD 8.5 wires and sure enough the problem went away. Cut to fit is the only way to go for a clean look.

Sean

Dyno 09-02-2014 11:20 PM

Re: Ignition wires
 
Firecore makes a great wire, used by many pro teams.

Kevin Panzino 09-02-2014 11:28 PM

Re: Ignition wires
 
I used accell 8.8 wires forever... Not a darn thing wrong with the wire regarding performance or longevity.... However, I installed a data logger this past winter. I Noticed several sensor traces as pretty noisy, and the sensors closest to the wires were the worst.

Did some checking around, and found out that the MSD 8.5 superconductor wires not only purport to have much better noise suppression, but also actually much lower conductor resistance, which would seem counter intuitive..... But there was enough info out there to make it credible..... So just two weeks ago, I bought a set of the MSD 8.5 Super Conductor wires, and tested them for resistance, then installed them.
Sure enough, less than half the resistance of the accell 8.8 wires, and my data logger traces have 75% less noise in them.
Im convinced.



Kp

rallye bob 09-03-2014 07:55 AM

Re: Ignition wires
 
Firecore is what I use.....

Jim Bailey 09-03-2014 12:10 PM

Re: Ignition wires
 
Be careful with MSD. A pretty good source says at least the ends and boots, if not the whole wire, are now made in China. Boots are not anywhere as heat resistant as they use to be..... Moroso has a great wire.

Mike Delahanty 09-05-2014 02:34 PM

Re: Ignition wires
 
I just replaced my MSD wires with a set from AFIS.

http://afispower.com/products/wire-sets/

The AFIS wire set was made to my specs and the overall fit and quality is a big step up up from the MSD set. Ignition wires are not a part to price shop. Buy the best stuff - nothing worse than having issues and thinking "if I had only ........"

SSGN 09-05-2014 08:48 PM

Re: Ignition wires
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Bailey (Post 444391)
Be careful with MSD. A pretty good source says at least the ends and boots, if not the whole wire, are now made in China. Boots are not anywhere as heat resistant as they use to be..... Moroso has a great wire.

I believe only the street fire line is made in China in order compete with all the other "Cheap "wires

Kevin

House of Darts 09-05-2014 10:19 PM

Re: Ignition wires
 
I'll never use a firecore!!!!

Dyno 09-06-2014 12:02 PM

Re: Ignition wires
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by House of Darts (Post 444785)
I'll never use a firecore!!!!

Explain?

340Cuda 09-06-2014 06:11 PM

Re: Ignition wires
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dyno (Post 444321)
Firecore makes a great wire, used by many pro teams.

I have had good luck with Firecore:

http://www.firecore50.com/

1320racer 09-07-2014 09:07 PM

Re: Ignition wires
 
John, despite marketing claims, there's no magic in plug wires. For me it's either MSD or Moroso.

At 3:07 in this video, Episode 1: Pre-Season Testing, at the bottom on the page, you'll see they run Moroso wires. If there was a better wire, this team and the rest of the Pro Stock competitors would be running it.

http://www.ericaendersracing.com/racing-in-red/

FINESPLINE 09-07-2014 09:58 PM

Re: Ignition wires
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 1320racer (Post 445055)
John, despite marketing claims, there's no magic in plug wires. For me it's either MSD or Moroso.

At 3:07 in this video, Episode 1: Pre-Season Testing, at the bottom on the page, you'll see they run Moroso wires. If there was a better wire, this team and the rest of the Pro Stock competitors would be running it.

http://www.ericaendersracing.com/racing-in-red/

Thanks Ed. Excellent video on the Elite / Freeman P/S team.

pbp1 09-08-2014 09:08 AM

Re: Ignition wires
 
I was an EFI technician for FAST for 7 years before becoming sales manager so I have dealt with EMI / RFI / Noise on an almost daily basis. I do not have all the answers but here are some truths I have learned about "noise". There is always some noise present. There are some best practices you can implement that will reduce the presence of noise. Right behind proper grounding, plug wires are the 2nd biggest factor in noise suppression, and let me tell you, there are huge differences in the noise suppression qualities of plug wire brands. You can get away with a lot more noise in a carbureted application than you can in an EFI application, because with a carburetor, even though you do have an ignition system, it is not relying on reading a great number of signals like an EFI system is. We see people switch from carburetor to EFI all the time and have noise issues because of plug wires, or failure to follow the best practices in the instructions. I can't tell you how many times I have heard "there is nothing wrong with my ignition, coil, or plug wires because they ran fine with my carburetor". You have to ask, what is your primary criteria for your plug wires? If it is just to carry the spark to the plug and deal with the heat of the headers, probably any of the wires mentioned would be fine, but if noise suppression is a concern, hands down, Magnecor wires cannot be beat! I have fixed many cars suffering from noise issues just by switching them to these wires. I had a customer who was a Northrup Grumman EE and he had some nice test equipment at his disposal. He sent me an oscilloscope trace of his cam signal with Magnecor and a popular brand and the difference was huge. Neither this gentleman nor myself have anything to do with Magnecor. I just like them because they work. In a non-EFI application where noise suppression is not so critical, my 2nd choice would be the MSD 8.5s but anytime it is possible, I go for the Magnecors. They do the job and the quality is excellent.

SSGN 09-08-2014 09:11 AM

Re: Ignition wires
 
I like the boots on the MSD, I find they stay soft and resist cracking and the terminals stay tight on the plug. Something else and I think this is VERY important to drag racing. MSD is one of a very few companies that have a trailer at least at National events. They support us with tech, parts and repairs when we need them. Just an added benefit.

Kevin

Bobby Fazio 09-10-2014 10:46 AM

Re: Ignition wires
 
kv85 8.5mm or R-100 10mm?

Quote:

Originally Posted by pbp1 (Post 445128)
I was an EFI technician for FAST for 7 years before becoming sales manager so I have dealt with EMI / RFI / Noise on an almost daily basis. I do not have all the answers but here are some truths I have learned about "noise". There is always some noise present. There are some best practices you can implement that will reduce the presence of noise. Right behind proper grounding, plug wires are the 2nd biggest factor in noise suppression, and let me tell you, there are huge differences in the noise suppression qualities of plug wire brands. You can get away with a lot more noise in a carbureted application than you can in an EFI application, because with a carburetor, even though you do have an ignition system, it is not relying on reading a great number of signals like an EFI system is. We see people switch from carburetor to EFI all the time and have noise issues because of plug wires, or failure to follow the best practices in the instructions. I can't tell you how many times I have heard "there is nothing wrong with my ignition, coil, or plug wires because they ran fine with my carburetor". You have to ask, what is your primary criteria for your plug wires? If it is just to carry the spark to the plug and deal with the heat of the headers, probably any of the wires mentioned would be fine, but if noise suppression is a concern, hands down, Magnecor wires cannot be beat! I have fixed many cars suffering from noise issues just by switching them to these wires. I had a customer who was a Northrup Grumman EE and he had some nice test equipment at his disposal. He sent me an oscilloscope trace of his cam signal with Magnecor and a popular brand and the difference was huge. Neither this gentleman nor myself have anything to do with Magnecor. I just like them because they work. In a non-EFI application where noise suppression is not so critical, my 2nd choice would be the MSD 8.5s but anytime it is possible, I go for the Magnecors. They do the job and the quality is excellent.


joespanova 09-10-2014 11:49 AM

Re: Ignition wires
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pbp1 (Post 445128)
I was an EFI technician for FAST for 7 years before becoming sales manager so I have dealt with EMI / RFI / Noise on an almost daily basis. I do not have all the answers but here are some truths I have learned about "noise". There is always some noise present. There are some best practices you can implement that will reduce the presence of noise. Right behind proper grounding, plug wires are the 2nd biggest factor in noise suppression, and let me tell you, there are huge differences in the noise suppression qualities of plug wire brands. You can get away with a lot more noise in a carbureted application than you can in an EFI application, because with a carburetor, even though you do have an ignition system, it is not relying on reading a great number of signals like an EFI system is. We see people switch from carburetor to EFI all the time and have noise issues because of plug wires, or failure to follow the best practices in the instructions. I can't tell you how many times I have heard "there is nothing wrong with my ignition, coil, or plug wires because they ran fine with my carburetor". You have to ask, what is your primary criteria for your plug wires? If it is just to carry the spark to the plug and deal with the heat of the headers, probably any of the wires mentioned would be fine, but if noise suppression is a concern, hands down, Magnecor wires cannot be beat! I have fixed many cars suffering from noise issues just by switching them to these wires. I had a customer who was a Northrup Grumman EE and he had some nice test equipment at his disposal. He sent me an oscilloscope trace of his cam signal with Magnecor and a popular brand and the difference was huge. Neither this gentleman nor myself have anything to do with Magnecor. I just like them because they work. In a non-EFI application where noise suppression is not so critical, my 2nd choice would be the MSD 8.5s but anytime it is possible, I go for the Magnecors. They do the job and the quality is excellent.

x2 on the Magnacor wires........read this below.....
http://www.magnecor.com/magnecor1/truth.htm


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