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cutta 09-26-2014 11:01 AM

Lowering the Super Stock GT class weight breaks?
 
Has this topic come up for review so that changes can be made? Seems like the time is right as the cars continue to get faster. It will also allow those running GT classes to have more options. At the very least, you would like it to match the natural class weight break starting point which is 5.5. Sounds like a good idea to me or am I off base?

Mike Carr 09-26-2014 11:19 AM

Re: Lowering the Super Stock GT class weight breaks?
 
I was always in favor of lower weight breaks in GT. Currently, the top class in GT is GT/A-GT/AA, 8.00-8.49 pounds. Same as SS/E-SS/EA. So no way for a driver to get the higher HP motors into GT without weighing a ton (actually two tons). And not just the modern hi-po factory motors. LS-6 454/450 for example, L-89 S/BA Corvette engine, and others (not to mention a Hemi rated 500). Maybe in the future it will happen, especially considering the factories releasing new, high HP motors on a yearly basis.

Jeff Teuton 09-26-2014 12:38 PM

Re: Lowering the Super Stock GT class weight breaks?
 
Start at 6.00 lbs per. Great Idea. Get some new iron in GT. Long overdue.

SS 230 09-26-2014 01:58 PM

Re: Lowering the Super Stock GT class weight breaks?
 
I've been trying for over 10 years...good luck!
Gary Norman

garbarineracing 09-26-2014 02:18 PM

Re: Lowering the Super Stock GT class weight breaks?
 
I've also been trying for years. Recently spoke to Bruce about it and he told me that there was little or no interest from the racers.

Jeff Teuton 09-26-2014 03:16 PM

Re: Lowering the Super Stock GT class weight breaks?
 
Then, let us start some interest. First send an email to your SRAC member from your division, second Bruce, and Pat C, third a discissussion on here by sane people about the virtues of the new classes, I also like to keep all the Division Directors in the loop, (it's an email, even I can do that). The Virtues are; all the rules exist, just faster classes (AA/BB/CC/DD easy, or redo GT/A to 6 lbs.; whatever is easier), the cars are already here, more powerful motors are just a natural evolvement, and add some of your own. Also remember, Tirades are not allowed (except by my wife about racing too much) and the NHRA officials and your fellow racers don't want to hear that. The good part is this is a common sense move up for Super Stock GT.

jmantle 09-26-2014 03:42 PM

Re: Lowering the Super Stock GT class weight breaks?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cutta (Post 447553)
Has this topic come up for review so that changes can be made? Seems like the time is right as the cars continue to get faster. It will also allow those running GT classes to have more options. At the very least, you would like it to match the natural class weight break starting point which is 5.5. Sounds like a good idea to me or am I off base?

NHRA has stated they don't want to create any more classes but I can't see a problem with lowering the starting point providing that doesn't affect a bunch of cars at the other end of the spectrum. I've also had requests to remove the V8 only stipulation. Does anyone see a problem running a V10 or even a V6 if it fits the class and the engine is recognised in the guide as an accepted S/SS combo?

Tom Nolan 09-26-2014 04:01 PM

Re: Lowering the Super Stock GT class weight breaks?
 
I'm in favor of lower weight breaks! I have sent emails, talked to Bruce, begged .....answer has been no. It needs to have lower breaks so the new engines can get in!

cutta 09-26-2014 05:24 PM

Re: Lowering the Super Stock GT class weight breaks?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jmantle (Post 447584)
NHRA has stated they don't want to create any more classes but I can't see a problem with lowering the starting point providing that doesn't affect a bunch of cars at the other end of the spectrum. I've also had requests to remove the V8 only stipulation. Does anyone see a problem running a V10 or even a V6 if it fits the class and the engine is recognised in the guide as an accepted S/SS combo?

I like your thinking.

Bob Sherwood 09-26-2014 10:15 PM

Re: Lowering the Super Stock GT class weight breaks?
 
I believe this is something that NHRA has to do!! The 8# weight break is from 30 plus years ago when GT cars began as rear wheel drive.(a big thanks to Don) IF NHRA can rollout a new weight break for the new factory cars when they get too much horsepower (both stock and SS), I think they should bring GT into this century!! Why not give GT the chance to also use the latest technology ?

SStockDart 09-26-2014 10:21 PM

Re: Lowering the Super Stock GT class weight breaks?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Sherwood (Post 447621)
I believe this is something that NHRA has to do!! The 8# weight break is from 30 plus years ago when GT cars began as rear wheel drive.(a big thanks to Don) IF NHRA can rollout a new weight break for the new factory cars when they get too much horsepower (both stock and SS), I think they should bring GT into this century!! Why not give GT the chance to also use the latest technology ?

Absolutely agree..

Don Kennedy 09-27-2014 01:30 AM

Re: Lowering the Super Stock GT class weight breaks?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Sherwood (Post 447621)
I believe this is something that NHRA has to do!! The 8# weight break is from 30 plus years ago when GT cars began as rear wheel drive.(a big thanks to Don) IF NHRA can rollout a new weight break for the new factory cars when they get too much horsepower (both stock and SS), I think they should bring GT into this century!! Why not give GT the chance to also use the latest technology ?

I think it is time to expand the GT classes to accommodate the new engines coming out :D

Bob Mulry 09-27-2014 01:52 AM

Re: Lowering the Super Stock GT class weight breaks?
 
Isn't this exactly the opposite of the NHRA vision of the future.............

New car bodies in GT with OLD MUSCLECAR Horsepower...........

Now we can have old cars bodies in GT with new engine horsepower.....

My, my how times have changed.....

Bob

SS 230 09-27-2014 08:29 AM

Re: Lowering the Super Stock GT class weight breaks?
 
The only thing this will accomplish now would be that all the new cars will run GT instead of SS to save their combo from getting horsepower. Just as several do now with the 3 tenths harder index!

Jeff Teuton 09-27-2014 08:42 AM

Re: Lowering the Super Stock GT class weight breaks?
 
Or SS230 someone could take a 68 Cuda AH body and install a new 426 hemi in it for GT/BB, or everyone's favorite a 69 Camaro with the new 427 Chevy in a class lower GT/CC. New tech, the parts, new adventure.

SS 230 09-27-2014 03:38 PM

Re: Lowering the Super Stock GT class weight breaks?
 
Yes while I understand the concept, it's just my opinion that the changing of classes to avoid horsepower hits would happen more than old cars and new motors. Having said that it would give the older cars another class to go to to avoid heads up!
Gary Norman

John E McLeod 09-27-2014 03:43 PM

Re: Lowering the Super Stock GT class weight breaks?
 
The person that already has a fwd gt car but wants to run the more current engines this needs to happen. Right now you have to go modified in order to go faster equals more money and less durability.Who do we have to call to get this done? John

Tony Janes 09-27-2014 05:54 PM

Re: Lowering the Super Stock GT class weight breaks?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SS 230 (Post 447673)
Yes while I understand the concept, it's just my opinion that the changing of classes to avoid horsepower hits would happen more than old cars and new motors. Having said that it would give the older cars another class to go to to avoid head ups.
Gary Norman

What is wrong with avoiding a heads up, remember stock and super stock are mostly a bracket race.

ppmracing 09-27-2014 06:56 PM

Re: Lowering the Super Stock GT class weight breaks?
 
How about GT /double AA and trippel AAA ???

Bob Sherwood 09-27-2014 07:35 PM

Re: Lowering the Super Stock GT class weight breaks?
 
Would like to see this thread stay constructive !! The 8# break is so outdated . Even a lot of the old traditional combinations have gained HP over the last 10 years ,making it hard to run A or B but it rules out most of the new combinations. At a time when we need more interest in SS , why doesn't NHRA move on this?? Like it or not ,fuel injection-blowers-4-valve overhead cams,and more ,are here to stay! We should be elated that the factories are behind drag racing as much as they are!!!!!

SS 230 09-27-2014 07:37 PM

Re: Lowering the Super Stock GT class weight breaks?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tony Janes (Post 447681)
What is wrong with avoiding a heads up, remember stock and super stock are mostly a bracket race.

Absolutely nothing. That was a positive statement toward the addition to more classes


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