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I see they are flying at reading do they not get HP at any races? The top 10 qualifiers are FS cars? If that's the case the old cars will suck hind ***.

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Pretty impressive how Barton would've been #2 qualifier in FS/A without a blower. Looks like there's a lot more depth in FS/B overall as well.

But yes, sad that the old cars who ran hard this morning took -1.0 strikes just to qualify outside of the Top 10 and watch the FS cars run with impunity.

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Mickey, I bet you said hind t*t because it is breast cancer awareness month! Please remember the ladies!

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"no hp"

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Its the old race within a race trick. For most of us the trick is getting very old very fast. Now every bye will be taken by a FS car without any application of the AHFS rules, that way the FS cars can do the same thing again in Vegas in a couple of weeks.

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If the old cars dropped two or three classes (10% off), they would rule the roost. Let's get stirred up again. Good for your circulation. Or you can call 1-800-Larry Hill and get the methodology for getting your 10%. Larry is a pro. How come Larry can get 10% off 38 combinations and nobody else can?

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This statement has nothing to do with the fact that FS cars qualify on the same sheet, but do not get hit with HP. Old car/New cars, who cares, as long as index rules applies to all cars qualifying.

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Until people quit showing up to races with their older cars nothing will be done. What do you think NHRA would do if a national event had only a handful of the new FS cars show up? ONLY THEN would they address the problem with some type of real solution. If people keep complaining at a keyboard, and then pay their entry fees, there isn't a problem in the eyes of NHRA.

Scott

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just looked pending tech top 14 cars are 08 or newer all but 4 are FS cars!!!

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I am sorry but Randy Wilson and I have been proposing some changes to allow lb/cuin class where no factors you based on bogus specs, or equipment allowed. Please review our continued suggestions on this method of cutting costs, and creating a more basic class. I know someone will cry MONEY wins these classes but isn't it bad to see favored classes, combinations while you tow miles and not be given a chance to be even.

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Iif if if such a small word but stretched so long larry can do it because he can drive the truck to get beer so everybody can have an opinion and think they are right

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I have been reading complaints about the new cars on a lot of these threads. I sort of get it but maybe I'm missing something. I'm in the process of building (someday finishing) an older car that fits A, B or C.
Since most of the new cars are out of B and C is my only concern qualifying at the select races with qualified fields were the newer cars get in much easier?
As long as I don't have to go heads up with the much faster newer cars (also certain older cars) I should be alright?

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Most are for now but what about the next crop, I see George Yago is running a '14 camaro in C this weekend. The biggest gripe anyone has at the moment is these cars in FS can run it all out at select races without repercussions from AHFS and take all the top qualifying positions like this weekend race. Top 10 are FS cars and one was atleast -1.50 something under the index....where's the justice in that?

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Larry is the master for sure. Look for
the pink car to get some power back
come late fall..........

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I sold my super-gas car about 6yrs ago and stock is going to be a new experience for me. How many races use a qualified field vs entry quota?
I get it about there being a new crop of underated cars causing havoc but eventually they should get pushed up once there are enough of them.
Mmmm, maybe I should build a truck.

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All races in S/SS in NHRA are a 128 car qualified field, max. So, other than Indy, everyone who shows gets to run first round.

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Scott,
I think you missed it here. There are enough new cars out there that NHRA would get all they want at most races anyway! They really don't care about who is there, as long as we don't get in their way. Only a few big money people get any attention from them, and they have new cars when they want them. IF they need a little more filler, like due to the low comp car count, they just add a few more .90 cars. Pretty easy to fill those classes.
No offense to the people with the new cars... if my lottery ticket hits, I will have a COPO shortly! :)
BUT, I do not agree with letting the FS cars qualify on the ladder with NO worry of HP. Because of the bye runs, this is unfair, and no way to defend it... math here, not just heart strings!

Ken
Stock 412

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Many great mopar combo's out there for trucks.
check with wong or nees.

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At first glance it does look like a race within a race. But the FS Class is not a stand alone event like most race within a race events because it still shares the same ladder with Stockers, without the same consequences.

Word is out that the new cars (2008 and up) will be in their own classes next year. It remains to be seen if nhra will do anything to correct the indexes or possibly put the FS cars in their own eliminator.

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bruce, i hate kool aid!!!

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Then you shouldn't drink it.

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You must not race national events because indy is the only 128 entry that can qualify the rest have a quota

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We know that. It's the only race NHRA will TAKE more than 90-100 cars; hence it is the only true 'qualifying with a bump spot' field of the year. 1996 when I was at Maple Grove for the Keystones, 126 S/S cars showed (I don't know how may pre-entered); this year I think they only took 65. Divisional races are also a 128 car field, max, but anymore, 100-110 are the most that show, so they too become all-run. 15 years ago or so, I ran at more than one Div'l race that had DNQ's (Indy, E-town, Reading LODRS events). The Grove had 150-160 in 2005 or '06 when they ran a double race (made up a rained out Open and the regularly scheduled LODRS on the same weekend).

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Do you race now because a lot has changed since then

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No, I got out in 2007, tired of the crap (raced from 2000 to 2006). And yes, I know what's going on.

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Well tell me and the racing world what is going on

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In regards to what? If you race, you should know. You seem obsessed with scales, getting tangled up, and Santa Claus based on most of your posts anymore.

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You seem obsessed with my posts since you are all over them you can get all over dee's

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It Would Be Easy To Just Lower The Index On FS Cars By Four. Then Qualifing Would Be Closer For The Older Cars. Becuase The Same FS Car In Normal Stock Run's AA Or BB. So At A Normal Race That Same FS Car Would Not Be Hurt With HP. Think About It!!!!

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Some of the FS cars are running 1.5 to almost 1.6 Under.
But you do have a point Sammy.

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This debate will go on until the bitter end. The part that is the saddest is NHRA and others think these new cars are bringing new interest and spectators to this sport. However I watched the final in car and looked into the stands and, you guessed it nobody there. No disrespect to the Bartons, great job. Just an observation.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziLLT7lJkps"]Drag Pack David Barton 2014 NHRA Nationals Reading, PA - YouTube[/ame]

Kevin

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Sammy they should put the 3 tenths back on the index and police everybody then the AHFS will work it self out

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How about lowering the classes by 2 on each old car, hence 3 tenths easier. That is what Larry Hill is doing while everyone on here is blapping their gums.

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Why not leave it like it was and then their would not be any blapping this BS was done for the paper cars so the index wouldn't be scared put the 3 tenths back and go

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OK Mickey. The reality is I asked for the FS Indexes to be lowered more last year, but NHRA is moving slowly. I think I suggested 9.90 and 10.20, and this year I will ask for more. I am of the opinion (like me or not, but I'm too old to beat up) of speeding up the older cars (like my 69 Super Bee), and don't slow down the new cars. But then I don't like the AHFS. When it came along, it was better than what we had. And it's application is open to discussion. I think I will start a new thread about that. I haven't gotten anyone really mad lately.

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Thanks mr jeff and happy birthday sorry its late index has nothing to do with what im talking about its just the if I go 120 under and a fs car goes 120 under we get hp and they don't? Im done talking about it . Almost like the white house!

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NO doubt that is a big issue. I guess in the sanctioning body's take, that is what it will take to build a new class. As long as the cars are on 9 inch tires, they will be in Stock. And if you are not in FS and are in BB, CC etc, you are AHFS bound. Only in Indy does anyone get knocked out. I really have some ideas that would help, but I don't dare post all of them. I might get ISIS sent to my house. But who knows. With Comp on the ropes and Pro Stock right behind, maybe a new eliminator? How about a Nostalgia/FS. Maybe for Indy? Maybe 8.25 lbs? Maybe (put your number here) index? Food for thought.

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I also have an observation. When I go to the U.S. Nationals on a Thursday and see a full (five man) PR team from Chevrolet Performance, and media/PR members from Dodge and Ford, I know something must be working. I'm not suggesting the program is anything close to perfect but the media room at Indy used to be a ghost town on Thursday. Now, it's quite active and virtually all of that is due to the Factory Stock Showdown.

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For nearly six years the media room has produced nothing of value for Stock. Nothing! The media folks (paparazzi) should venture out into the pits for the real story.

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Kevin, tell the "media folks" they need to read thread http://www.classracer.com/classforum...ad.php?t=49151, get out of the air conditioning, away from the buffet tables and leave the young girls in the media suite alone(they're too young for them anyway). Go out into the depths of the Sportsman Pits and check out reality!
(did I tell him Bruce?)