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PJ305 10-30-2014 09:48 AM

2015 Rules
 
Stock allowed aluminum radiators & Head bolt studs

Pedigo Perf 10-30-2014 09:51 AM

Re: 2015 Rules
 
And they mentioned something about Factory Stock classes but mostly I was happy about the head studs.

TP

Rich67stang 10-30-2014 10:15 AM

Re: 2015 Rules
 
2008 and newer CobraJets/Dragpacks/Copo are in their own classes now, so have at it! Good move by NHRA. SS/CS index should get lowered next year with the acceptance of "aftermarket heads", another good move by NHRA.

ALMACK 10-30-2014 10:18 AM

Re: 2015 Rules
 
Good move on the radiator deal since our old copper/brass ones are hard to find.

MoJo Risen 10-30-2014 10:47 AM

Re: 2015 Rules
 
Very interesting! Where can we get more information?

Mike Carr 10-30-2014 10:48 AM

Re: 2015 Rules
 
http://www.nhraracer.com/content/gen...558&zoneid=132

Andrew Hill 10-30-2014 10:50 AM

Re: 2015 Rules
 
Finally! Glad 2008 and later cars are in their own classes now, hopefully people bring out even more new cars to fill them!

MoJo Risen 10-30-2014 10:53 AM

Re: 2015 Rules
 
Thank you Mike.

Nitro Joe Jackson 10-30-2014 11:05 AM

Re: 2015 Rules
 
SECTION 10A: STOCK CARS, DESIGNATIONS, (Page 1)
FS/A, FS/B, FS/C, FS/D, FS/E, FS/F, FS/G, FS/H, FS/I, FS/J, FS/K, FS/L, AA/S, A/S, B/S, C/S, D/S, E/S, F/S, G/S, H/S, I/S, J/S, K/S, L/S, M/S, N/S, O/S, P/S, Q/S, R/S, T/S, U/S, V/S, and W/S (manual transmission), preceded by car number. AA/SA, A/SA, B/SA, C/SA, D/SA, E/SA, F/SA, G/SA, H/SA, I/SA, J/SA, K/SA, L/SA, M/SA, N/SA, O/SA, P/SA, Q/SA, R/SA, T/SA, U/SA, V/SA, and W/SA (automatic transmission), preceded by car number. AAF/S, AF/S, BF/S, CF/S, DF/S, and EF/S (front-wheel-drive), preceded by car number.


AAA/S, AAA/SA, BB/S, BB/SA, CC/S,CC/SA all gone

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...fK8r4ppx31uWLZ

Jim Kaekel 10-30-2014 11:06 AM

Re: 2015 Rules
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew Hill (Post 451349)
Finally! Glad 2008 and later cars are in their own classes now, hopefully people bring out even more new cars to fill them!

X2. Good move about the aluminum radiators as well. Copper/brass radiator prices have gone crazy.

Nitro Joe Jackson 10-30-2014 11:12 AM

Re: 2015 Rules
 
wow SS'ers are getting new classes also
SECTION 11A: SUPER STOCK CARS, DESIGNATIONS (Page 1)
FSS/A, FSS/B, FSS/C, FSS/D, FSS/E, FSS/F, FSS/G, FSS/H, FSS/I, FSS/J,
FSS/K, FSS/L, FSS/M, SS/AH, SS/A, SS/B, SS/C, SS/D, SS/E,
SS/F, SS/G, SS/H, SS/I, SS/J, SS/K, SS/L, SS/M, SS/N, SS/O, and SS/P
preceded by car number (manual transmission). , SSA/A,
SS/BA, SS/CA, SS/DA, SS/EA, SS/FA, SS/GA, SS/HA, SS/IA, SS/JA, SS/KA,
SS/LA, SS/MA, SS/NA, SS/OA, and SS/PA preceded by car number (automatic
transmission).

SS/AA, SS/BB,SS/AAA, SS/BBA now gone

SECTION 11B: SUPER STOCK/GT, DESIGNATIONS, (Page 10)
FGT/A,FGT/B,FGT/C,FGT/D,FGT/E,FGT/F,FGT/G,FGT/H,FGT/I,FGT/J, GT/A, GT/B, GT/C, GT/D, GT/E, GT/F, GT/G, GT/H, GT/I, GT/J, GT/K, GT/L, and GT/M, preceded by car number (manual transmission). GT/AA, GT/BA, GT/CA, GT/DA, GT/EA, GT/FA, GT/GA, GT/HA, GT/IA, GT/JA, GT/KA, GT/LA, and GT/MA, preceded by car number (automatic transmission

Stewart Way 10-30-2014 11:43 AM

Re: 2015 Rules
 
Interesting that NHRA has combined the sticks and autos in the new classes. Or at least there is no designation for autos in this release.

Bryan Worner 10-30-2014 12:10 PM

Re: 2015 Rules
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nitro joe jackson (Post 451356)
wow ss'ers are getting new classes also
section 11a: Super stock cars, designations (page 1)
fss/a, fss/b, fss/c, fss/d, fss/e, fss/f, fss/g, fss/h, fss/i, fss/j,
fss/k, fss/l, fss/m, ss/ah, ss/a, ss/b, ss/c, ss/d, ss/e,
ss/f, ss/g, ss/h, ss/i, ss/j, ss/k, ss/l, ss/m, ss/n, ss/o, and ss/p
preceded by car number (manual transmission). , ssa/a,
ss/ba, ss/ca, ss/da, ss/ea, ss/fa, ss/ga, ss/ha, ss/ia, ss/ja, ss/ka,
ss/la, ss/ma, ss/na, ss/oa, and ss/pa preceded by car number (automatic
transmission).

Ss/aa, ss/bb,ss/aaa, ss/bba now gone

section 11b: Super stock/gt, designations, (page 10)
fgt/a,fgt/b,fgt/c,fgt/d,fgt/e,fgt/f,fgt/g,fgt/h,fgt/i,fgt/j, gt/a, gt/b, gt/c, gt/d, gt/e, gt/f, gt/g, gt/h, gt/i, gt/j, gt/k, gt/l, and gt/m, preceded by car number (manual transmission). Gt/aa, gt/ba, gt/ca, gt/da, gt/ea, gt/fa, gt/ga, gt/ha, gt/ia, gt/ja, gt/ka, gt/la, and gt/ma, preceded by car number (automatic transmission

nice!!

HR9121 10-30-2014 12:14 PM

Re: 2015 Rules
 
Interesting they dropped the 2009 or newer to 2005 and newer for pro stock entries. I guess they are trying to make sure they get full fields.

Mike Pearson 10-30-2014 12:20 PM

Re: 2015 Rules
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by HR9121 (Post 451368)
Interesting they dropped the 2009 or newer to 2005 and newer for pro stock entries. I guess they are trying to make sure they get full fields.

I don't think that will make much difference. None of the teams are going to go back to 10 year old cars. nor would they be competitive. Most have become top sportsman cars.

Bobby DiDomenico 10-30-2014 12:27 PM

Re: 2015 Rules
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stewart Way (Post 451359)
Interesting that NHRA has combined the sticks and autos in the new classes. Or at least there is no designation for autos in this release.

Stewart,
Have not paid much attention, aren't they combined in the Shootouts?

SSGT Mustang 10-30-2014 12:28 PM

Re: 2015 Rules
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nitro Joe Jackson (Post 451356)
wow SS'ers are getting new classes also
SECTION 11A: SUPER STOCK CARS, DESIGNATIONS (Page 1)
FSS/A, FSS/B, FSS/C, FSS/D, FSS/E, FSS/F, FSS/G, FSS/H, FSS/I, FSS/J,
FSS/K, FSS/L, FSS/M, SS/AH, SS/A, SS/B, SS/C, SS/D, SS/E,
SS/F, SS/G, SS/H, SS/I, SS/J, SS/K, SS/L, SS/M, SS/N, SS/O, and SS/P
preceded by car number (manual transmission). , SSA/A,
SS/BA, SS/CA, SS/DA, SS/EA, SS/FA, SS/GA, SS/HA, SS/IA, SS/JA, SS/KA,
SS/LA, SS/MA, SS/NA, SS/OA, and SS/PA preceded by car number (automatic
transmission).

SS/AA, SS/BB,SS/AAA, SS/BBA now gone

SECTION 11B: SUPER STOCK/GT, DESIGNATIONS, (Page 10)
FGT/A,FGT/B,FGT/C,FGT/D,FGT/E,FGT/F,FGT/G,FGT/H,FGT/I,FGT/J, GT/A, GT/B, GT/C, GT/D, GT/E, GT/F, GT/G, GT/H, GT/I, GT/J, GT/K, GT/L, and GT/M, preceded by car number (manual transmission). GT/AA, GT/BA, GT/CA, GT/DA, GT/EA, GT/FA, GT/GA, GT/HA, GT/IA, GT/JA, GT/KA, GT/LA, and GT/MA, preceded by car number (automatic transmission

Wonder if they're going to allow cowl hoods in FGT? Preferably fiberglass.

HR9121 10-30-2014 12:31 PM

Re: 2015 Rules
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Pearson (Post 451371)
I don't think that will make much difference. None of the teams are going to go back to 10 year old cars. nor would they be competitive. Most have become top sportsman cars.

That's what I was thinking but may draw that last one in if he knows he can make the show by showing up.

Randall Klein 10-30-2014 01:12 PM

Re: 2015 Rules
 
Ah! I see the window lettering dealers musta paid off Glendora! LOL

Chuck Beach 10-30-2014 01:19 PM

Re: 2015 Rules
 
Great the new cars are in there own class but they are still in stock & super stock, how is this going to help the old iron for qualifying at Indy?

Rich67stang 10-30-2014 01:27 PM

Re: 2015 Rules
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuck Beach (Post 451381)
Great the new cars are in there own class but they are still in stock & super stock, how is this going to help the old iron for qualifying at Indy?

Baby Steps...lol

ATI Performance Products 10-30-2014 01:30 PM

Re: 2015 Rules
 
Damn now I have to cut new vinyl for both cars and try and figure out where they fit again....Glad I have all winter. Very glad to see new classes for the new cars, that should make the Pre 2008 car owners happy.

However....where are the indexes listed? If they are soft, and all the new cars are 1.0+ under there will be all the same amount of of crying going on. If they are tough then you will have an ever increasingly number of new car owners crying.

Does this mean that all the FS cars in stock run heads up and off their indexes like the "factory shootout" now? Does my 2009, 6.1 Hemi that could "only" go .839 under and not make the show at Indy this year have a chance to qualify?

So far this is just a list with a bunch of letters.

Mike Taylor 3601 10-30-2014 01:31 PM

Re: 2015 Rules
 
saw stock replacement radiator few years ago was all alum. tanks and all looked like copper brass radiator except tanks were welded to core
Mike Taylor 3601

Sean Marconette 10-30-2014 01:38 PM

Re: 2015 Rules
 
Chuck,
Hopefully they will have to live and die by the same sword as everyone else with AHFS. Then it will take care of itself, not quickly though.

Not that this affects S/SS, Pro stock bike and car are Sunoco only on fuel now.

The aluminum radiator has been needed for some time, even the 80's cars and finding a good core has become expensive. I can't imagine what you guys with the older cars spend on one.

Sean

SSDiv6 10-30-2014 02:03 PM

Re: 2015 Rules
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich67stang (Post 451344)
2008 and newer CobraJets/Dragpacks/Copo are in their own classes now, so have at it! Good move by NHRA. SS/CS index should get lowered next year with the acceptance of "aftermarket heads", another good move by NHRA.

Yep, it is a great move for making the GM products go faster since it will make legal the use of the Chevy LS cast iron and aftermarket 11, 15 and 18 degree cylinder heads!

The Ford N351 cylinder head cannot compete against the GM offerings.

cutta 10-30-2014 02:07 PM

Re: 2015 Rules
 
Still don't get why you would create separate GT classes for post 2008 combos without lowering the weight break. Your still eliminating a lot of the combos that people could potentially run.

GUMP 10-30-2014 02:15 PM

Re: 2015 Rules
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew Hill (Post 451349)
Finally! Glad 2008 and later cars are in their own classes now......

I read COPO, Cobra Jet, and Drag Pak, not the regular production models.

Anyone know the deal on the chassis certs and SFI stuff?

SSGT Mustang 10-30-2014 02:21 PM

Re: 2015 Rules
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SSDiv6 (Post 451387)
Yep, it is a great move for making the GM products go faster since it will make legal the use of the Chevy LS cast iron and aftermarket 11, 15 and 18 degree cylinder heads!

The Ford N351 cylinder head cannot compete against the GM offerings.

Exactly. I don't see a reason to celebrate. I think that it's a cheap shot by NHRA.

Eric Merryfield 10-30-2014 02:30 PM

Re: 2015 Rules
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ATI Performance Products (Post 451383)
Damn now I have to cut new vinyl for both cars and try and figure out where they fit again....Glad I have all winter. Very glad to see new classes for the new cars, that should make the Pre 2008 car owners happy.

However....where are the indexes listed? If they are soft, and all the new cars are 1.0+ under there will be all the same amount of of crying going on. If they are tough then you will have an ever increasingly number of new car owners crying.

Does this mean that all the FS cars in stock run heads up and off their indexes like the "factory shootout" now? Does my 2009, 6.1 Hemi that could "only" go .839 under and not make the show at Indy this year have a chance to qualify?

So far this is just a list with a bunch of letters.

Glad I didn't get replacement letters for mine yet! A lot of garage ornaments till the indexes come out....It would also hurt new car attendance if the license requirement isn't managed....ie SS/JA and down is a no-license zone which helps those that can't/don't want to get license....not sure how they will manage that in the new car kiddie pool....

Eric

Dick Butler 10-30-2014 02:53 PM

Re: 2015 Rules
 
Great to see the old and new separation to help because of the inability to adequately factor but once again more and more separation of cars into smaller and smaller classes. I know its all a dial in on points meets etc but .....At least that part of the problems is solved...

Jeff Teuton 10-30-2014 03:04 PM

Re: 2015 Rules
 
Lot of changes in GT, which I think only 21 cars are new cars or have new car motor combos. That is about 5%. Doesn't make sense. According to Nitro Joes' stats, 366 gone down the track in GT this year thru Sept. On the Modified thing, that is someone's personal agenda that NHRA bought. Looks like bringing the chillers to the back of staging is gone. But I thought it was gone sometime back and still allowed.

Alex Denysenko 10-30-2014 03:21 PM

Re: 2015 Rules
 
It's about time! Now was that so hard? Radiators that is? maybe somebody at NHRA swoke up and the thought of someomes REAL 68 or 69 427 COPO Camaro or Hemi Cuda/Challenger popping a 40+ year old radiator and crashing a $150to200 k+ stocker along with possibly serious injury to 1 or more drivers. no brainer here ya'll ;)

jimi 10-30-2014 03:32 PM

Re: 2015 Rules
 
I don't see to much wrong with the new classes or rules except the carb combos that naturally fall in bb/sa have to run aa/sa (wich was cc/sa)now at a 7.5 wb. or am I miss reading it?

terry1 10-30-2014 03:38 PM

Re: 2015 Rules
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich67stang (Post 451344)
2008 and newer CobraJets/Dragpacks/Copo are in their own classes now, so have at it! Good move by NHRA. SS/CS index should get lowered next year with the acceptance of "aftermarket heads", another good move by NHRA.

Does this mean that THEY will not take up "ROOM" in the "traditional" stock car quota's for
national events???

Ed Fernandez 10-30-2014 03:41 PM

Re: 2015 Rules
 
Just looked into my crystal ball and it told me aluminum radiators will cost 20% more in the near future.

Rat Raceway 10-30-2014 03:59 PM

Re: 2015 Rules
 
Wow.
Hoped they would put the shootout engines in there own class. This kinda sucks for the normal 427 folks. :(

Alex Denysenko 10-30-2014 04:01 PM

Re: 2015 Rules
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez (Post 451412)
Just looked into my crystal ball and it told me aluminum radiators will cost 20% more in the near future.

only the official "NHRA" approved ones fast Nash Eddie

Eric Merryfield 10-30-2014 04:12 PM

Re: 2015 Rules
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez (Post 451412)
Just looked into my crystal ball and it told me aluminum radiators will cost 20% more in the near future.

But the mighty Gremlin might be able to hotlap like a bracket car now........assuming aluminum is better at cooling than the steel one......How much less does a aluminum one weigh?

Eric

Mike Pearson 10-30-2014 04:38 PM

Re: 2015 Rules
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric Merryfield (Post 451423)
But the mighty Gremlin might be able to hotlap like a bracket car now........assuming aluminum is better at cooling than the steel one......How much less does a aluminum one weigh?

Eric

I swapped an aluminum for a brass. the weight savings was minimal. The big savings was I went from a 2 core brass to a one core aluminum that took less water. That's where the real weight savings came from. The aluminum cools much better so you can get away with a single core. I think overall it saved about 10 lbs

Larry Hill 10-30-2014 05:17 PM

Re: 2015 Rules
 
The proof of the pudding of the new rules will be the Index that the new classes will run off of. To soft an index and the only thing that will change at the 2015 US Nationals will be the letters on the cars.


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