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Does anyone know what the indexes will be for the new classes ? I see that Nhra updated indexes on 10/22 but forgot to had any info on the new classes created . I'm happy about the new classes but would like all the details . Any info helps

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I'm hoping there will be more heads up runs now with my Stick car. I'm happy about the separation myself also.

Impatiently awaiting the index....

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OK. we're all waiting for the index's, so how about some suggestions/ predictions?
I'm more interested in the guy's that have the cars that will share a comment!
What criteria do ya think NHRA is going to use?

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Seeing we're just speculating here..I say the criteria is politics.
0 to .010 at the most.

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I would like to see the indexes for all the new classes at a real number. To me a real number is; it would take a very good run at a fast track, Gainesville, Bell Rose, Englishtown, by a very good car to go -1.05 to -1.10 under. Runs buy the cars not so good will be in the -.85 to -95 range just maybe good enough to qualify at Indy. An added plus to a real index is less chance of someone with a same car going minus 1.20 under the index and having the AHFS response on Tuesday.

What ever the indexes are the AHFS must apply to all cars in the eliminator.

just my thoughts, I could be wrong!

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Remember how much they hit the Fuel Injected class indexes when those were created?

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Under that logic would you also be OK with a penalty for all of the cars that ran fast at a National Open or during class eliminations this year (regardless of year model)?


I don't see much issue with this as long as the index for any factory shootout is corrected to allow good heads-up racing without fear of penalty.

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How about ALL class indexes being set from the national record?

If you run faster then the record, back it up with-in 1% and you pass tear down the record and index is changed on Monday regardless if they have an "R" written on the window or not.

Then run everything heads up with handicap start based off the index.

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Darin AHFS should only apply to races that have points for national or divisional.
A national open should be for fun and records without AHFS or points.
Class and heads-up count in the AHFS in either the Q data or the E data.

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I don't think it should either. I also think that cars in the new FS classes should have the same index as the class they just left.

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Sure. So long as the AHFS always applies to them at races where it applies to the rest of us.

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I think AHFS should apply to all at every race . I believe the indexes will be in line with what the fastest cars in each of the new classes has ran .

Big question is why did NHRA not post them when the knew they were making new classes . Next question is what will the HP ratings be on these new FS cars . A 5.4L blown 2008 mustang in stock FS/A makes no where close to a 2014 coyote 5.0 with a 2.9 blower and runs 8.50 in FS/A

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I think Don Fezell may disagree with that.

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I think you have no idea what you are talking about as usual. Don has the fastest 2008 CJ out there no doubt about but you're a moron if you think he's anywhere close to a 2013-2014 Coyote.

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I agree

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First of all NHRA has no desire or personnel to do that, secondly fields would drop off

I wouldn't tow across town with those parameters

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Why? 90% of the cars couldn't get near the record anyway?

What's the difference in running under or close too?

Instead of the qualifying sheet being minus whatever it would be + whatever and you would see more cars run wide open instead of trying to protect a combo

a win or the fans a win for the stripe racers (less brake pads to buy)

and a win for guys like me that have just one intention and one intention only.....to blow the current "record" completely into the weeds just to see how smart I am.:D

carry on

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When I spoke to Don at the Dutch Classic, he told me that he is nowhere close to a Coyote.

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Easy there, no need for the name calling. As usual? Please educate me if you think I don't know what I'm talking about. Obviously the 2.3L blower won't make as much as the 2.9L, but Fezell has been 8.50 (yes at a much lighter weight), quicker than any Coyote has been so far. I think "no where close" is a pretty big exaggeration.

Also, since the FS classes are now weight/hp based, will he not have a 38 hp x 6 lb/hp = 8 lb break against the 2014s?

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Just asking so don't go off on me. Can say a 2008 put a 2014 engine in and just change the front and back a be a 2014? I saw where SAM swapped out the front and back to make a newer model with their Copo.

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I could be wrong but I don't believe so. 2010s, 2012s and 2013s can become 2014s fairly easily. Some have done this already - Bo Butner's white CJ has been updated a few times. However I'm thinking that 2008s are stuck as 2008s.

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The COPO 427 and the factory shootout engine are so far apart it's not even funny. The factory shootout engine also gets a 30lbs weight break on the normal engine. From what I heard new Challenger 426 is the same, not even close to there factory shootout engine. Makes no sense.

If they don't make a separate classes for them I know of a few racers that will not be racing NHRA.

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That is correct. Everything changed. The only things that remained the same was the front windshield and the roof line on the 05-09 Mustang and the 2010-14. Even the quarter windows changed in size. Actually even the floor pan changed. There was also another revision to the floor pan in 2013 IIRC.

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08 auto/Stick 505/498
13 auto/stick 531/500
14 auto/stick 543/525

The 13 coyote(5.0/2.9) makes 100-150hp more then the 5.4/2.3 in the 08. The 2014 uses a smaller blower pulley. The 5.0 has more RPM capability which is where the Ford Modular engines make their power. The 13 stick has about 2tenths advantage over the 08 stick. The 13 auto has a tenth advantage. The stick combinations in the 13/14 will start getting HP bumps though once some of them are built.

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If all the other brands are like the 426 Mopar shootout heads that were dropped at my shop there is some Bad A** stuff out there!!

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I'm still waiting on GT stock so I can drop a Hi-Ram 396 LS in my old iron :D

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Some people will like the new indexes some want all fuel injected cars should be in the new classes have the old base classes for carb cars