NHRA Releases New Class Indexes
 

What do you think are they inline or out of line.


STOCK
Class Weight Break Index
FS/A 6-6.49 9.7
FS/B 6.50-6.99 10
FS/C 7-7.49 10.3
FS/D 7.50-7.99 10.6
FS/E 8-8.49 10.95
FS/F 8.50-8.99 11.2
FS/G 9-9.49 11.35
FS/H 9.50-9.99 11.5
FS/I 10.00-10.49 11.65
FS/J 10.50-10.99 11.8
FS/K 11.00-11.49 11.9
FS/L 11.50 or more 12

SUPER STOCK
Class Weight Break Index
FSS/A 5-5.49 8.8
FSS/B 5.5-5.99 9.2
FSS/C 6-6.49 9.65
FSS/D 6.5-6.99 9.9
FSS/E 7-7.49 10.05
FSS/F 7.5-7.99 10.2
FSS/G 8-8.49 10.25
FSS/H 8.5-8.99 10.35
FSS/I 9-9.49 10.45
FSS/J 9.5-9.99 10.5
FSS/K 10-10.99 10.55
FSS/L 11-11.99 10.8
FSS/M 12 or more 11

SUPER STOCK GT
Class Weight Break Index
GT/FSA 8-8.49 10
GT/FSB 8.5-8.99 10.1
GT/FSC 9-9.49 10.2
GT/FSD 9.50-9.99 10.35
GT/FSE 10-10.49 10.5
GT/FSF 10.5-10.99 10.6
GT/FSG 11-11.49 10.75
GT/FSH 11.5-11.99 10.85
GT/FSI 12-12.49 10.95
GT/FSJ 12.5 or more 11.05

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I really appreciate the help to celebrate Thanksgiving by lowering my index by .25 in every class I have run. Thanks. I wonder why I could not get this when I asked for it for my 69 Super Bee. Thanks NHRA.

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Are you still in the same class? For us with the new classes, our weight brakes moved us down one class. So for us, the index remained the same.
Chuck

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From what used to be SS/EA to SS/KA the hit is progressive from ..10 to .25. I am so good I am the only car in the nation to get the .25 since I am the only new car in SS/KA thru Nitro Joe's Sept Book.

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For a little easier comparison:

STOCK
Class Weight Break Index
FS/A 6-6.49 9.70 (old AAA/S; same index)
FS/B 6.50-6.99 10.00 (old AA/S; same index)
FS/C 7-7.49 10.30 (old BB/S, same)
FS/D 7.50-7.99 10.60 (old CC/S; same)
FS/E 8-8.49 10.95 (old A/S; same)
FS/F 8.50-8.99 11.20 (old B/S; same)
FS/G 9-9.49 11.35 (old C/S; same)
FS/H 9.50-9.99 11.50 (old D/S; same)
FS/I 10.00-10.49 11.65 (old E/S; same)
FS/J 10.50-10.99 11.80 (old F/S; same)
FS/K 11.00-11.49 11.90 (old G/S; same)
FS/L 11.50 or more 12.00 (old H/S; same)

SUPER STOCK
Class Weight Break Index
FSS/A 5-5.49 8.80 (old SS/AAA; same)
FSS/B 5.5-5.99 9.20 (old SS/BB)
FSS/C 6-6.49 9.65 (old SSA)
FSS/D 6.5-6.99 9.90 (old SS/B)
FSS/E 7-7.49 10.05 (old SS/C)
FSS/F 7.5-7.99 10.20 (old SS/D)
FSS/G 8-8.49 10.25 (old E)
FSS/H 8.5-8.99 10.35 (old F)
FSS/I 9-9.49 10.45 (old G)
FSS/J 9.5-9.99 10.55 (old H)
FSS/K 10-10.99 10.55 (old I)
FSS/L 11-11.99 10.80 (old J)
FSS/M 12 or more 11.00 (old K)

SUPER STOCK GT
Class Weight Break Index
GT/FSA 8-8.49 10.00 (GT/A)
GT/FSB 8.5-8.99 10.10 (B)
GT/FSC 9-9.49 10.20 (C)
GT/FSD 9.50-9.99 10.35 (D)
GT/FSE 10-10.49 10.50 (E)
GT/FSF 10.5-10.99 10.60 (F)
GT/FSG 11-11.49 10.75 (G)
GT/FSH 11.5-11.99 10.85 (H)
GT/FSI 12-12.49 10.95 (I)
GT/FSJ 12.5 or more 11.05 (J)

New Classes all use the stick Index; sticks and autos are combined in the new Classes. The corresponding stick Indexes are the same, new class vs old.

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There are many who have campaigned NHRA to combine stick and automatic classes for years. Well it has happened to the new factory classes.

Let the whining begin.

And let this be a lesson to the racers in all the other stock and S/S classes. When classes get combined, looks like the index will change to the stick index.

Be careful what you wish for.

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Well? People also wanted harder indexes so they could run their stuff all out without fear of getting "punished" by the AHFS. People also wanted the Factory cars to get brought a little closer to the right zip code... since there's no will to do it via proper HP factoring, the indexes were the next best thing.

There's a difference between personal agendas and what's good for the sport. Aren't we always saying how this a performance-oriented sport? More potential heads-ups are a good thing... granted, there will actually be LESS with addition of Factory classes, but if they do combine 'traditional' classes down the road, there would be more... Which would yield half the cost of Class trophies, virtually eliminates the 'need' for a Class "Combo", more competition for a Class win, etc. If it's really that big of a deal, they could institute weight breaks for automatics like they do in the GT Truck categories, etc. Could probably use some tweaking in the lower classes, but right noe you've got higher classes with often only .05-.10 difference between the indexes.

Yeah, my index is .20 lower for next year. I just spent a bunch of money on the car, so I'll be right back where I was... at the bottom of the sheet, a danger to no one but myself. ;)

$.02,

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If I'm reading correct, these are the new classes for the "new" 08-present year cars??

**Never mind. Found my answer in another post**

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Thanks Mike , thats is more clear . What car fit into FS/H and FS/ I off the top of your head anybody ?

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DragPak 5.7 stick (Luke Ubelhor ran 10.1's in E/S at Indy); maybe the 5.9 DP automatic. Maybe a few others (352 Mustangs ran D and E/SA).

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The 350 COPO will run FS/H as well.

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What I don’t get is where did they get there numbers and why are some .25 some 20 some 10 and some got no change? Seems like discrimination,what happened to the factoring system or why do we have a system???? I think it is a joke.

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I did see I got them to change the SS/AA -SSA/A deal, made SS/AA back to meaning SS/AAutomatic, there was 3 cars that ran SS/AA this year that was in wrong class (SS/AA ment SS/AA stick and the automatic class was SSA/A, like really)

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Got a question regarding the CJ Mustangs with the 352 engine. Why are some rated at 330 HP and others get by with only 285???

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Jeff, how do known what classes your car fits until they list hp`s, if they use stick hp, and you run stock you lose 63 hp. or do the stick cars gain 63 hp in stock? Tom

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Tom, as far as I know, the factored hp is the same. Short version on Stock, you are in a new class, mostly Bayou Self (little Cajun humor there), and if you are an automatic, .05 lower index. I guess a 9 lb class (old C/S) is still a 9 lb class at the stick index. Super Stock, on the other hand, gets hit above SS/DA. .10 hit for SS/EA to .25 (me) in SS/KA. GT gets the same treatment.

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I inquired about possible weight breaks for automatics, like the 5% deal the GT Truck classes get, which also have sticks and autos combined. They said they hadn't decided yet.

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I inquired about hp factors and they stay the same. Manual and auto are still separate hp factors in FS class

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From my understanding even though sticks and autos have been combined in the FS & FSS class there will be no new HP factors used to determine your cars total weight. The stick and the automatic cars will continue to use the same HP figures they already have for the transmission being used.

For example in the case of the 2014 427/430 2014 FS/C (old BB classes) COPO Camaro- the automatic HP factor is 454 HP, and the stick factor is 430 HP with the exact same engine. Now these two cars/engines have the privilege of racing each other heads up in the same class. Given a 140 weight advantage it seems like a field day for most stick cars. Because the stick factors remain virtually unscathed (in most classes) perhaps we will see more stick cars next year since in most cases they enjoy a tremendous advantage in the HP factoring?

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Super stock is 289 and stock is 330

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I think there will be accurate information next week. I have been told I am the only one in the nation who objected to the new format. I think very few people knew or realized in the lower SS classes the difference between stick and auto were that much. Same in GT stick and auto. I really don't think NHRA intended on lowering indexes of 80 out of a little less than the 800 SS folks. Especially by that much. However, by what NHRA put in print, that is exactly what they did. There is plenty of time for clarification between now and Feb when the races start. The 80 is the approximate number of new cars or old cars with new motors. The 800 is about the number of cars in SS who earned at least 10 points or more. Nitro has more that that as National Opens are in his number as are folks in more than one class, like me. I think Nitro's numbers are closer to 1000. It's about 10% total. In GT it's less than 5% (new/new) to the total; about 20, probably less, to about 350 total GT cars.

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Hey Jeff I am not sure if we got lucky or not .. the SS/CA + SS/DA moved to the FSS classes with the same index - just the sticks in SS/C + SS/D get a .05 softer index and will join the party with automatics.

I have heard the single car class eliminator will be split as well - along with the 100 lb auto weight break.

I saw it on the internet so it must be true - LMFAO

See you soon

Ron

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Heck Jeff, you can still run over a second under, right? What's the problem? Just hook the other two barrels back up. LOL

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Ron, SS/B, C and D had the same Index for stick and auto. So no advantage either way there. The difference comes in the 'slower' classes. .15 in I-IA, .20 in J, .25 in K.

Same with GT, the farther down you go, the more disparity. .10 in A, .15 in E, .25 in I and J.

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Ed, my second under left with the 10 hp somebody got me at Indy, and the .25 hit. I won class in Indy (over an old car) by 3 hun with all nine barrels open, nitrous hooked up, nitro rag in the pan, and 5 lb over min. I think I will go find my Super Bee so all I have to do is cry, complain, and type and get more competitive. Allows more time for beer drinking. Course I have already enrolled in the Larry Hill School of Horsepower Reductions. I want to be like Larry. Working on getting your competitors hit, while working on getting your personal ride reduced even more. I like that.