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Ok who is the quickest in GT/.AA :)

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Bob Cruzen

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Probably some old fa-t from Arizona......Hello Don, hope you are having a good evening....weather is great on the west side of the Valley.

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Yep. If you can get him to take the weight out.

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Jeff Lawrence?

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officially by the stats...........
GT/AA 10.10 9.002 -1.098 382 Rick Rodgers Dearborne Heights MI '14 Mustang RD 2 D3R6 BG
Here was #2 in GT/AA
GT/AA 10.10 9.035 -1.065 1108 Gary Richard Bay Shore NY '10 Mustang Q 4-WIDE NATS


now anything else?

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But, those bogus new cars are out now, right?

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For the N/A cars - I'd say Frank Grossi. Id like to see him and Jeff in the same place though..

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Let's see now Ed, about those bogus cars. According to the world reknown Nitro Joe, Ed is the 13th fastest SS/JA out of 64 cars @ .91 under. And lo and behold another of them 96 Chevrolet powered things is 12th @ .94 under. First Ed, you need to tune another .03 to just catch up. Work on your car. You are already in the top 20%, so look out for those glass houses. Jeff Lawrence is the fastest after eliminating the bogus cars. Again that according to the world reknown Nitro Joe Jackson. But then all them old cars run slow on purpose, so who is the real king?

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When did I claim to be fast Jeff?

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When you qualify at the top as you often do. You remind me of Larry Hill. But yall really don't look alike.

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Mr ED! There are a lot of impressive "A" cars out there. Cruzen is fast NO doubt Lawrence makes very impressive runs w/ his older combo as well. But were do you come up w/ the BOGUS comment? A 428 ford @ 375 in a 2010 mustang is so much more bogus than a 428 pontiac @ 335 in a cobalt. HOW??

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Frank Grossi a few years ago put an 8.99 on the scoreboard at Vegas. No idea what it factored to, 8.70-something I think. That to me is the most impressive GT/AA run ever. When you can put a time on the BOARD at Vegas faster than 98% of the other cars in your class can run in killer air--you da man.

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Jeff, when I was driving mine to work and back for five years before I started messing with it, highway mileage was over 25, and passed emissions easily. How did your 360" Changer do? With all that compression, I wonder how it would like pump gas? With ten more cubic inches, those bigger valves, bigger ports, and big-azzed throttle body, how did they make it put out less hp than mine? They rated it lower. I'm sure Fiat would not try to fudge. If one ran against me in SS/JA, I would have to spot one 40lbs. I might be able to cause one to need all 4 barrels in a heads up.

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Ed, that motor you run has been @ 279 HP for 11 1/2 years. If it's that bad, then you need to go to the Larry Hill Institute of Horsepower Manipulation. Or get an LS1. Dime a dozen. I got two we use for doorstops, you can have them. And that thing is a Chevrolet. That means it has been worked on, worked over, massaged, cheated on, pencil whipped, prayed over, had hands put upon, and has parts availability that only a Bowtie can have at 50% the price of any other brand other than Hudson. Now to get back on point, by the aforementioned World Famous Nitro Joe and excluding the 'bogus cars', Jeff Lawrence is the fastest that cared to go fast. Interesting after Jeff Lawrence, there are 10 Jelly Beans before another real car appears in the listing. Mostly Jelly Beans at the top, and big cars at the bottom. What am I missing here?

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Sorry, Mr Tilberg, I'm not aware of or familiar with that car. I was refering to the newer blown CJs.

And as to Mr Grossi's car. It is bad fast. Only time I ever saw it run was Indy a couple of years ago. He was not faster than Mr Cruzen THAT weekend. I can not say about other times. Plenty fast, that is for sure. Bob Cruzen and Rock Haas' blown CJ had one heck of a race for class that weekend. Exact same ETs to the thou, Mr Cruzen was something like one thou quicker on the tree? One of the best races I've seen. Mr Grossi has a very nice, very fast car. No doubt. Seems like a great guy.

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Difference between you and I, Jeff, is I like you.
Edit: I messed your last post above when I was typing this.

I don't know what Larry Hill did to you. I had nothing to do with it.
I would not ask for a hp reduction, I think a bright person does not build a combo with a too-high hp factor. The problem I have is not mine too high, it's the 360" DP is way too low. I didn't mention the cylinder head air flow numbers. I know what they are, same shop, same flow bench. 60/65 CFM difference is a big deal.
Why would anybody build a big car for GT/AA? A jelly bean would be a better car, all else being equal. Right?

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Larry brought me a simi cold beer once. You really don't like those 360 heads. Ed, you just don't like to soupum up too much. Country Dog's LT1(I think that is what they call that thing) makes about 865 hp. I have witnessed it. You doing something wrong. It is really going to be a long winter.

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His LT1 does not make that much power, unless you have a seriously mis-calibrated dyno. Nobodies does. You appear to think I'm as dumb as I look. LOL

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I think the last time Gary Richard's Cobalt was out he outran every name mentioned thus far.

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And what motor is that car running? Is it less bogus than the new cars? Just curious.
Kind of like how amazing is it to see a supercharged motor car go in SS. Who knows what the factors should be.... against regular motors...

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As I remember it was a 454 with a very low HP rating.

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You've been calling some Super Stock 454 combo bogus for some time now. I've asked you twice before what it was, and you didn't even know, so I'll solve the mystery for you. it's a 1976 Chevrolet 454 factory rated at 225hp, NHRA rated at 325hp originally, now at 341hp in SS/GT, and available production line installed in a Caprice, Impala, or Station Wagon.

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Asking a couple of times has gotten people to look it up... How does 325 or 341 Hp compare to the et it runs in a class where the standard cars were 430 hp 454 for several years. Makes it about what 718 LB lighter than a 454 Camaro which were very competitive in GT/AA in the 9.40-50s at INDY. I guess this proves my point , it IS more bogus than the New cars when compared to other combinations in GT/AA. Maybe its just smart research. Wonder where all the beautiful well built 454 Camaros went? There were upwards of 7 to nine good cars in that class in the 1997-8 area....really competitive heads up racing.

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When did you stop running GT/AA with your 454/430hp Camaro?

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as i see in the nhra recorder holder in GT/AA is jeff lawernce mustang .. and my engine builder he had out ran gary richerson mustang and cobolt... in. 2015 hold on this going to be a fun ride to witness

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1998 I sold the Camaro after winning class at INDY, and built a cavalier. I never raced it but buyer was very successful with 402. Boudreau sold his due to health. Butch Williams retired. Phil mandella concentrated on business. Defrank sold the car. Glen Stahl changed classes. At least two others dropped out. then came the sbc cavalier and the rule change to allow bbc in FWD. Interesting. Then the BOGUS bbc appeared and ran in the 8 s when all the above cars were at 9.50.s at indy

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So you have an issue with a combination in a class you have not participated in for 16 years?

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Top speed That would be Gary Richard Jeff has beat the cobalt in class but hasn't beat the mustang yet but it doesn't make a difference it's a bogus combo any way.

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Yes, Even better I have a beef about the HP factoring in general...Doesn't that explain all the New Car/Old Car discussion? I am only pointing out the issue isn't new. It is a basic flaw in classification of Motors. Some get overlooked because it only hits a small group and the new cars create a big issue because the same methods affect a larger group of racers. Is factoring only important if it is your class? I know it is not. It is a more broad issue and needs help throughout the classes and tech books.... Even better I feel my experience in racing 35 years can be helpful to the discussions even today..Thats why I support the return of Modified. Classes based on cubic inchs which cannot be factored or ignored . First man there with the same motor is the winner in my book. Do away with the factoring Crutch needed by some to be interested or competitive.

Rick Good Discussion. Merry Christmas.

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I think this thread was started to discuss GT/AA and who is quick, not HP factors, new car vs. old car, or a new modified class.

If you want to start a new thread on only HP factoring that stays on point, I'll jump right in. Also needs to be a technical based discussion with reasons why particular combinations are under or over factored.

Merry Christmas

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Very good point. Afraid you and I got afield in the discussion but the topic was " who is fastest?"

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GT/AA 8.87 149.38 04/28/13 Jeffrey Lawrence - Quogue, NY
'88 Ford Atco, NJ

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Jeff has done a lot more with a lot less than many others. He still uses a production block and heads, cast intake and an old carburetor on an engine that sits in front of a basic C4 transmission. And he's been fast for a long time in an older, boxy car that he may have built himself.

Imagine what he could do in a new, smaller car with all the bells and whistles.

What he has managed to achieve with his combination is impressive to say the least.

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that fast with a old 780 vac sec. holley carb ....old school at it best

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Not sure how long Jeff has had the car, but I can remember it growing up, and it was always fast. I do almost all work on our cars, and there is a sense of pride in completing and succeeding with a car built with your own hands.

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Well said Cooter!

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Not to get off topic,another one that runs well with homebuilt and hard work is Jeff Roell with his 93 Mustang. He got himself a ride in a Cobra Jet for his efforts. And a great guy who will help you out if you have problems at the track.

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one of these posts said jeff had not beat garys mustang. not true. jeff has outrun garys mustang several times. maple grove in class 2011and as a matter of fact when jeff set the record at 8.87 in 2013 gary was there and went a 8.91 i think . like someone said earlier just think if jeff had a cougar or a escort with a pro trans etc. the record would probably be in the low 8.80s or high 8 70s. he is the man in gt/aa!!!!!:)

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i agree...jeff is the man ....i crew on jeff mustang....hope people are ready for the new jeff to come out.... wont say anymore