71 Duster has been given a gift ? why
 

I'm trying to figure out how a combo that runs .095 under everywhere they go is Givin 4 hp ? If Jerry Hatch is endeed using the 340 combo id like to know NHRA how this is possible.

Re: 71 Duster has been given a gift ? why
 

I believe the "gift" you are referring applies to the replacement aluminum head combo....down from 319 to 315 hp. We are still running iron head factored at 314 hp.

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So let me get this straight , they allow a replace "ALUMINUM " head to take a additional 40 lbs or whatever out of the trunk on top of removing 90 or 100lbs off the nose of the car !!!!! Sounds like a Big Gift to me lol. ...

I know what that car can run Jerry you have a very stout ride !! I'm just trying to wrap my brain around all these bogus Mopars that keep getting gifts Lmao
jk. See you at Pomona

Re: 71 Duster has been given a gift ? why
 

There are more. But I ain't telling.

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The gifts are due to a certain few Mopar racers that would rather work on the classification guide than their racecars.

How about the joke that is the 70' Cuda? Original head 395, replacement head 382. Running fast with this combo will be quite the accomplishment. :confused: You should be proud.

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Hi Bob, If Jerry ran in E and added the Alum head, the car would be 10 lbs heavier and the heads would remove 40 lbs off the front, not sure what you mean by 90-100 lbs. The heads may not make much ,more power than the iron heads and if the car hooks now, the weight off the front won't make any difference. It's probably not nearly as much of a gift as you think.

Re: 71 Duster has been given a gift ? why
 

Some places have sales & mark-downs as an incentive for products that aren't selling.

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I have not seen Jerry run E yet . And i can't see how iron heads would only be total of 40lbs heavier than Aluminum ?

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Very few 71 Mopar run the Aluminum Replacement head because
they do not make any more horsepower that the Iron heads in their
experience. Those were the only 71 Mopar to get a "GIFT" the iron
heads only have gone up over the year (Original 275 in 1971 now 314).
I do not know a thing about the Big Block combos....They do not run D/E/F
so I do not follow them.



Our cars dead hook and run 1.3s 60 with the front ends tied down and shocks
as tight as they will go. At Sea Level we still sometimes put 50 Lbs. weight
in front to keep our little cars in control.... Why the Heck would we want
less weight on the front of our already 50/50 cars.

In heads up races we have beaten the replacement head Mopars.
In heads up races we have lost to the Firebirds EVERY time in over
TWENTY races in last ten years and by 2 to 5 Tenths!

Lets see: 400/455 Pontiac Firebird...... 306 HP to 325 HP(prior to Jan 2015)

Lets see: 340 Mopar ...... 314 HP............................................
60/115 More CID and Bigger Valves in the Birds AND as much less as
8 HP less in than our peashooters and in the worse case maybe 11 HP more
in the 400s

My boy and I are the about the ONLY guys consistently running the 71 340
cars in Div 7 with you every race other than Jerry Hatch!
(Again the Iron Head Version = NOT the Replacement Head that was refactored).............

Our cars have been factored from 275 HP when I started racing them
to now 314HP. In the same time the Pontiac Firebirds have stayed the same
or even been lowered like the 455. Year after year they Kick our B*TT
and laugh at us behind our back for racing such an over factored small block combo.

So we must be the lazy Mopar racers you are referring to in your post today.

You guys should spend some time in our garage and watch us
constantly testing our cars at the track and working on them....
THEN looks us in the Eye and tell us we are LAZY!

Times are still very hard here in Nevada and we can not spend the kind
of money some racers in better economic opportunity areas are blessed
to have the resources to do.

Maybe NHRA should lower the indexes about a second and the rest of us
lazy guys who run 8 under doing the best they know how to...... can go back to just Bracket
Racing and leave Stock and Super Stock to our Fortunate Brothers!

My 25 year old son has spent around $14,000 on his .8 under car (He work 7 days a week to be racing)
and gets slammed head up regularly by people routinely spending triple the money to
go a couple tenths faster.

Kindly remit him a check for about $10,000 or $15,000. to spend on his stocker and we will see if
all the Pontiacs are still a mile faster.

To get a HP Change - the Class Average must be .85 under is my understanding.
While Jerrys car often ran .9 to .95 in excellent conditions our TWO cars only would run
.7 to .8 under even hopped up with light Oil and Heads Up Mode on the same day. Like
most racers we run our cars in Normal Bracket Mode with regular Mobil One and not
Iced and cooled down if there is no incentive to beat up our expensive investments... so usually
maybe 5 to 65 under any given normal race. The HP Changes are based on average NOT
a single hopped up Killer Car unless it goes 1.2 under. Correct me if I am incorrect about how
the factoring system works.

My understanding is that the 71 340 Class average was only .72 under....NOT even close to
.85.
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BTW Bogus: My 71 Mopar has been torned down several times and always legal as has every single
stocker we have every raced...............How many times
has that Pontiac been to the Barn?

I can bring both a pair of Aluminum and Iron Small block and a scale to Pomona.........
If there is 90 to 100 Lbs difference = I will EAT THEM!!!!!!!!!!!

Irving Family Racing

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When did i ever call you guys Lazy ?
I never singled anyone out in my post such as you have done .
You can think we're Bogus as much as you like John but put up 500 and i will tear down in your pit area whenever you like and kindly take your money along with your pride the next time we meet heads up and put you on the trailer.
I don't usually post personal info on here but i have worked my *** off to get where I'm at so i don't know what was in your cereal this morning but the cornflakes must have been tainted with something. If you want to turn a joking Bogus comment around into a war on the track... Dont sing it ! Bring it !!

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I can get you a picture of a scale. Its 40lbs on the nose.

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That's fine Paul if Im wrong on that so be it i will admit it . So my question is if there is no advantage why did a aluminium head get approval and not a different iron head like Todd Hoven got approval for on the Ram Air 1 ?? . If the approval of a aluminum replacement head for that would have gone through i could only imagine the uproar that would cause.

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Have you guys thought about switching to de-caf?

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Again the factoring causes hard feelings....but that's the way it is in Class racing...Everyone works hard but the changes "meant" to level the field hurts everyone in the long run. Lb/ cubic inch takes the factoring out of the picture. Doing it different in the future may be the way to "evolve" like other sanctions.

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And . . . . ?

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Mr. Aceves

Again has your car been not been torn down. I very strongly
doubt that NHRA would entertain a Private Protest....
We have been down that road years ago at the Winters.
as a lot of Div. 7 Old timers probably remember it! I never call
anyone BOGUS like you did and never will.....I just asked when you were torn down!
Most of the guys that run the 71 340 are Personal Friends and we share a
lot of information. I have seen several of their cars apart and none are Bogus either!

We will wait till NHRA tears you down and they will get around to it!

Jerry Hatch has the 71 Duster that you are so upset about = not us.........
Why do not call him out (at least they have a budget a little closer
to your car). We would be be delighted to put $500. of our
money = on that he kicks you B^tt!

We have always been friendly and enjoyed talking to you.
We do not appreciate our cars being attacked and ourselves
by someone who knows very little about either one!! We did not
start this thread or call anyone LAZY OR BOGUS.

My son last stocker (National Record Holder / All Star Div 7 Winner) was
torn down Three Races in a row a couple years ago......possibly due in part to complaints on the site. It was looked at by toughest techs on both coasts...................................Always clearly and completely legal!

I did not call anyone illegal.....I just asked about last time you were in teardown.

It was someone else's post on this thread to call us lazy when I reread the post...........
I had the right post but the wrong guy...... and on that and I am sorry and stand corrected.

It doesn't hurt my PRIDE in the slightest when I get beat heads up by a better combination with
triple the money thrown at it --------
By someone waving around a Big Fat Wallet like you are and puffing up your chest about how PROUD of it you are of it.

Correct me if I am wrong, I recall you have raced us a few times when we were in different class and running on Dial Ins..........
It seem like you lost those particular races every time if memory serves
I might be wrong . Please correct me if I am wrong about as
since my last stroke my memory doesn't seem to be what it used to be.

In fact: According to my records you have NEVER raced either of us Heads-UP in
the same class EVER despite your crowing about beating us before and going to beat us again
and strip up of our "Pride".......My Daddy taught me: "Don't count your chickens before they are Hatched!"

Every time we race on a Dial In and win (and even when we lose and race well),
THAT is what we and many other stock racers that I know take PRIDE IN!
Money can not buy those wins!

Irving Family Racing

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Many organizations are trying One motor, One Brand cars. Modified was a good method in the 60s and might be worth the return try. Maybe there are too many combinations now made to expect fairness in factoring.
How about a sealed GM class? a spec motor class? I know many will complain about "change" but everytime a new set of factors come out THAT IS CHANGE an inch at a time.... allows new dime rockets, encourages new bogus motors.
With all the replacement heads now available what would be the "real" difference of allowing a SPEC motor parallel to one motor now available but make it legal everywhere and in ALL cars.(GT does this now with factored motors) Or just 2 or three Mod classes to test it.

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As i said to your son I'm not getting dragged into this like your trying so hard to do .
John you need help ! Please get it ....

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Dick - I applaud your constant hammering on the crate motor/spec motor thing to try to encourage an environment for more heads up racing. However, I am hesitant then to applaud the idea that this will reduce the cost of building a Stock/SS type car. Expense of technology is harder to arrest in drag racing than in any kind of circuit auto racing. Maybe an inclusion of a spec motor/crate motor with additional limitations of technology would be more successful than an additional class group (Mod) that would race outside the current set of classes. NHRA has just done that, so it would be hard to have a second instance.

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Dwight, if the heads could not be touched there could be major cash saved. If very limited cam and springs, lots more. No exotic trans is considered too. We thought these two could help as well as a possible Crank inspection hole in pan.
Thanks for response...Another response to level the field is only allow limited motors from the spec books. Gradually cut down to only a few each manufacturer so the continual search and creation of new " old" combinations unseen prevents new problems.