nhra info on the FS/X Classes?
 

Can someone please provide a nhra link that defines the FS/X classes? I've looked and have not been able to find any info. Specifically interested in the way they are set up and the rules. Thanks!

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nhra racer.com

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Thanks guys. Must be the browser on my old laptop acting up again. I can open them now on my phone.

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Ok, I have apparently checked everywhere except the right place. I want to find the nhra link/rule that states the FS/X cars are exempt from the ahfs. I know they are exempt but want to see it in writing.

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I would be surprised if you find that anywhere in print or on their site.

I have looked and have never found it.

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Thanks Alan. Wonder why they have not put it in writing?

Jeff, you must have something in writing about the rules for these cars. I believe you were the first to post that they were exempt from the ahfs. Please share that information with us. I'm working on a new project and also need to know who gave the FS/X cars the exemption.

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Bruce:
I think it's one of those "we don't talk about it" deals for NHRA. ;)

Too bad tho.

Just my opinion here, but I believe it is the one final change NHRA needs to make in Stock Eliminator right now.

Either make every Stocker exempt from AHFS at every event where the F/S cars are exempt, or make the AHFS apply to F/S cars all the time.

I like to watch the F/S cars run, but to allow them to run 1.2x-plus under index without any penalty while the traditional Stockers are penalized for going too quick is just...

Just my opinion.

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The Factory Stock cars are subject to HP
Factory Shootout Entries are not subject to HP

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The only FS cars that are not subject to the AHFS are the Shootout cars (FS/X and FS/XX).

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They are exempt as per a nhra staff member in Glendora. I could get only an email confirmation, no published rule appears to be available. I have been told that an email confirmation from nhra is good enough for our purposes. More to come.

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Does any of the runs by the Shootout cars go towards their qualifying spot in the regular Stock qualifying sheet ?

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Yes, and that is the problem. Look at 2014 Indy or last week's Gators. They can come in and bomb the sheets and never suffer the consequences like the regular class Stockers. They should be in their own eliminator. Let them run and gun all they want but they should not be dumping on all the other cars because they are not subject to the same rules as Stock Eliminator.

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I thought that was what happened at Indy.

I like the idea of the shootouts a few times a year, but those runs should be totally separate from the regular qualifying runs in Stock.

Or....create a new class and just put the shootout cars in Factory Experimental.
Problem solved.

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I am optimistic that this "problem" will be fixed soon.......

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Maybe like '
Don't ask ..... "don't tell?"

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Very interesting??

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Gotta love that optimism !

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Moving the FS/X cars to their own eliminator at the 4 premier events is the only way to fix this problem. Simply reducing the index and allowing them to still be exempt from the ahfs won't fix a thing. The Stock Eliminator and ahfs rules are very clear.

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Seems like a great solution ....

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Keep your fingers crossed......

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That's a great idea Bruce.

That would solve the problem.

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All stock eliminator cars should race under the same rules. Having 2 sets of rules at the same race is just wrong. Bruce you were #2 qualifier at the gators in my book.

rod

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When first hearing about the rule change thought it was great and fixed the problem. Later on info on the shootout came out with it still part of the regular eliminator and qualifying........
That didn't fix the qualifying situation many were upset about at Indy or the other national events on the schedule.
The reality is NHRA and manufacturers want the shootout (so do we) but cannot bring themselves to create a separate eliminator for it promote correctly and feature it on TV.
Until they all step up problrm not fixed 100% it's only money.

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It would be really easy to fix this, and then everyone would be happy. No AHFS for ALL stock eliminator cars at the races where the FS race is contested.

These are the same complaints that have existed since these cars were exempt from the AHFS. Same problem different year.

Sean

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Both at Indy and this years Gators the outcome would not have been different if the AHFS rules were in effect for the FS/X cars .The race winner would still have won and the number one qualifier would still be number one- and BTW - lets not forget that a 'new' car won both events with just good 'ole great driving and performance meant nothing. And since old cars no longer race new ones head-up what would be changed ? Maybe you'd see more 1000' racing but who wants that ..........I know I'm gonna hate myself for posting this but its a slow Friday here in Pennsylvania with plenty of snow falling so a little Internet jousting might help the day pass .Bring it on kids - I've got all afternoon ...............

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Totally irrelevant to this topic and a poor effort to defend a double standard. The FS/X cars have carte blanche to hit the sheet as hard as they want while the rest of the racers struggle to get on the sheet. Many good racers that had to abide by the rules were pushed out at Indy because of the FS/X cars. But that is OK with you. It's a convoluted system to benefit the corporate cars. And it must stop.

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Not hardly as the same cars would have been on the top of the sheet -- just lifting early .Poor effort ??? - mine is based on fact and numbers - not agenda .Not one car would have moved up if the AHFS were in effect .

And BTW I do care about racers who didn't make the field -- much,much more than most ! !

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The main issue I see is that some FS cars that qualified for Indy last year may not have qualified if AHFS had been in effect for them earlier in the year. So it is likely that the outcome would have been different for some people. Yes, the indexes are lower in these classes now, so that should help, but the AHFS should really be in effect for everyone or no one.

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Good point Andrew which I can't comment on till I look at the sheets from last years Gators - and E-town .I'm not so sure the outcome on the sheets would have been guaranteed .

BTW, no one is mentioning the fact that 14 new cars didn't qualify at Indy last year also.

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Lifting early?? Glad you know the driving habits and tune on all these cars. They need to be in their own Eliminator. nhra should add extra dough to the pot to incentivize the FS/X cars. nhra could generate the money from all the additional racers who would try to qualify when the FS/X cars have their own eliminator.

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Or they could find a sponsor.......

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In a given eliminator there should be no rules advantage for any individual or goup of competitiors perceived or real for any entry.
Having no fear of HP at an event with good air is a real advantage.

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There were sixty-seven (67) new cars at Indy. Of them, fifty-eight (58) made the 128 car field (all in the top 117). So only nine (9) new cars DNQ'd. And two of those broke early in qualifying (Skillman on the first run) or they undoubtedly would have made the field.

Also of note, twenty-one (21) cars made a run fast enough (-1.20 or more under) to receive horsepower. And only five (5) of them actually got it, since those five were in their natural class (three new cars, two older trucks). So sixteen (16) cars got a free pass.

Had the AHFS applied to all cars, would all the FSS cars qualified? I would bet almost every dollar I own that they would have. They merely would have just run quick enough to make the show (-.882 bump). The FSS cars would have just gone -1.02, -1.05 or whatever to make the show. The sixteen cars that never got HP that should have would have still been in; they just wouldn't all have been at the top; nineteen [19] of the top twenty-four [24] qualifiers were in a FSS class, and thus exempt from HP (and sixteen of those nineteen should have received it for a more-than -1.20 under run).

http://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCSt...r2014#indextop

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Thank you - that is exactly my point - they would have still qualified .........

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The point of this thread is that the FS/X cars are exempt from the ahfs while the rest of the cars are not. The ahfs does not work overnight unless a racer goes -1.20 or more under. The ahfs should be in affect for all Q and E runs for all cars in Stock at Divisional and National Events. And I'm tired of hearing what a racer would merely have to do to beat the ahfs. Who knows what they would do? We saw a C or D Challenger go in the 9's at Indy a few years ago and we saw a new Camaro bomb the index at Indy last year. So coulda, shoulda, woulda doesn't work. These cars belong in their own eliminator and nhra should step up with the cash and do it right instead of on the cheap through Stock. Especially if they intend on making these cars the Pro Stock of the future.

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I agree with all that. If you intend to run for one of the 128 spots starting Saturday--you get horsepower for a -1.20 run. Period.

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^^ agree !

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That would be a super easy fix and it would generate alot more excitement at those events.

That would be wild seeing the traditional Stockers hang it all out without penalty at National events.

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The rules need to be the same for all cars in stock eliminator at each race. At the very least there should be no ahfs when they run these shootouts. NHRA and the auto manufacturers might not like the result, as they seem to have a need to have these cars at the top of the qualifying sheet, as there are plenty of fast old cars laying in the weeds.