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It has come to my attention that it's ok to leave your ICE baggies on your engine during a heads-up round of eliminations and then let the track staff pick them up off the track. I thought even though I got out ran that there was a kind of rule that says you can't Blatantly have crap falling off your car. I understand if a bolt falls off but that's usually a accident.

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i have seen all kinds of things fall off of cars - hoods, doors, wheels, driveshafts, fender liners. yada yada yada... never a DQ

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loose ballast

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A post like this deserves more detail. Did the losing car have a chance or not? Or was this third hand info dumped on the Internet by someone.....

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That's pretty much what I saw on Ustream.
The announcer even made that comment.
Super Street (Brian Griffey ) had to wait while this went on.

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It depends on your last name..AND If you happen to be sponsoring a race at that particular track: A year or so ago (my memory forgets the EXACT Race) Mr Biondo had the same thing happen Nada came of it, The VERY Next event a racer had the same thing happened (Mr McGann) and got DQed. BOTH races were in Division 7. Some people just get "its Ok"
I also saw the same thing on Ustream. a BLATANT infraction!
in my opinion Mr Williams got robbed.

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So your saying I'f the losing car has no chance than it should not matter ??
one of the reasons i hate posting on this site is because of responses like this ...
it's coming directly from a damn good racer who was in the other lane.
and to say I'f the loosing car has no chance makes a difference ?? Huh
are you even a racer ??

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Troy city boy, your right I did get out ran and that's a fact and I honestly don't post crap to often but rules are rules and racers bring this to my attention that **** is falling off the other car and was blatantly left there then I'm saying why do we have rules. It's clear that all this stuff used for a heads up is to be removed before going to the water box.

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That's a damn shame, that run was for a bye to the finals. If it was me I can guarantee you that I would have left that track in handcuffs. You would think a racer with that much experience would have known not to leave any loose ballast (bag of ice) in the car.
I don't think that would have flown in Div. 1 but that's just my opinion. I really feel for you.

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I am a racer, and I understand the application of rules. But if someone posts in a vague way about an event instead of a specific way, there is usually more to the story for sure. And if the person posting was the person that was beaten because of the ice being dumped in the lane, why not post all of the detail and what he or she wanted from NHRA?

If it was good enough to post, why not post all of the detail. If I was racing and got beat heads up by someone that dumped ice on the track, I would ask myself if the outcome would have been different. If the other guy had me covered, The ice wouldn't have changed things.

Since NHRA should have been watching to administer their own rules and didn't then that is a problem. If it was an oil down, NHRAs oil down police would site the offending racer with a warning or a fine if they had to roll any equipment.
If I felt NHRA should have bounced the other racer, I would have complained to an official directly. If I felt that I had no chance of winning as a result of the ice being spilled in the other lane, and it was really a complaint about NHRA playing favorites or just being generally uninvolved when they should be, I would still go to the division director. Many people post on the Internet expecting a change and never talk with NHRA.

Like I said earlier, just a very vague post.

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Bob Aceves, I assure you that James Schaechter is indeed a racer. Unfortunately with NHRA ,rule enforcement varies within the 7 Divisions. As far as Division 7 turning a blind eye to this heads up run.......What happens in Vegas.stays in Vegas....M.J.

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Sad deal...should have been a DQ. Particularly since NHRA has posted reminders about removing ice before a race.

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Hey Schaechter, first of all, the post maybe vague in your opinion and that's fine. The Division Director was confronted and that was a big waste of time in my life that I'll never get back. Mr. Aceves is correct when he asked if it mattered if the slower car had a chance and should it make a difference. Well in this case it DID. Had I been a little slower and that S**t hit my car all HELL would've broke loose and I'm DIV7 wouldn't have covered the damages. Dry Ice could've done some real damage. I also have seen doors, hoods, driveshafts fall off and that's not something deliberately done. In this case, I saw nothing while racing down track, which means I wasn't too far behind. This issue was brought to my attention by MANY creditable racers who watched this at the track or by the Live Internet stream. They all thought and said that I should be reinstated because debris deliberately had fallen onto the track. Hell it took 4 officials 5 minutes or so to clean this crap up. But if that's OK with the person representing NHRA and Div 7 and causing a delay in there show so be it. I didn't want anything from NHRA, I wanted Div7 to follow the rules that NHRA has drawn up. Apparently Div7 operates with a different set of rules. Is that so Vague Mr. Schaechter. It won't change the outcome, that's obvious and like stocker 396 posted earlier I don't have the correct last name for rules to be enforced. Schaechter, next time you have a heads-up make sure to leave your dry ice, ice baggies or whatever you may use in the engine compartment. It's OK, you"ll be fine. Am I still to Vague for you???

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Leaving the track in handcuffs? All hell breaking loose? C'mon people this is all supposed to be in fun amongst sportsman. Let's get a little perspective here, please. We're talking about drag racing, not someone harming your family. Some of you take this sport way too seriously.

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Hey Mr Another, when I was racing Stock it was all consuming to me to go out there and do my best to win rounds. I did it according to the rules. You don't have to give someone a knuckle sandwich to be put in handcuffs. A strong protest that would correct the non enforcement of the rules we raced under would probably be enough to have the wimps they call NHRA officials to call in the local police.
All hell would come under the same heading.
I hope I didn't hurt your self esteem, there's an awful lot of that going around lately.

And Mr Schaechter, I guess if someone shot me and only grazed me it would be OK because he didn't kill me. Sheesh.

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Ok so if you lost to a person that should have by rule been DQ’ed on a race that would have gave you a free ride to the final (ie guaranteed runner up money). You would just be hey whatever we are just here to have a good time.
Rules are meant to be for everyone. Obviously if the track crew had to go out to get the bags off the track it was obvious they knew it happened and decided to ignore it.

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, LA.

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*Stk & SS rule reminder on ice in staging lanes.

Stock and Super Stock*Staging*lane Rule Reminder 8/21/2014


Stock and Super Stock*Staging*lane Rule Reminder
This is a reminder to all Stock and Super Stock Racers that prior to reaching the head of the*staging*lanes*all ice, towels, rags, etc must be removed per the 2014 NHRA Rulebook General Regulations, Section 20, page 5, Fuel /Air –

Fuel/Air: Any method of artificially cooling or heating fuel prohibited (i.e.,*coolcans, Freon, wet rags, etc.), except as noted*in*Class Requirements.*Cool*cans, wet towels, etc. are permitted*in*Super Stock, Stock, Super Comp, Super Gas, Super Street, and E.T. classes. Wet towels, rags, ice, etc. must be removed before vehicle leaves*staging*area. Ambient- temperature air only; cooling or otherwise changing the conditions of the intake air is prohibited. Spraying of intake with any artificial spray or coolant prohibited.
So whats the problem? Written in black and white before indy nationals last year. Ice was brought in staging and fluid leaked in track which required down time. Sounds like 2 violations. Right or wrong?

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Maybe if the slower car put ice on manifold and kept it on during run he could of had a chance to win. Remember rules are guide lines and be used accordingly.

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Up here in div 6, we also have flexible rules about what does or doesn't constitute a qualifying run. Depending on whether there is an even or odd number of cars and who would benefit from a single, you may or may not get bumped off of the qualifying sheet. Got bitten by that one once...

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Just a reminder, 2013 U.S. Nats heads up stock final, neither car was weighed or fuel checked. Don't believe either would have been DQ'd, but no effort to maintain some integrity in class racing is not what we expect from officials when we pay the dues and entry fees to race.

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Both me and Stevie Wann were sitting in line after a Qualifier in Vegas and watched a gentleman drive right past us and fuel check . When it was brought to the attention of the officials it was a shoulder shrug and a comment of well if you don't want to weigh you don't have too .... 😲

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A few years ago, I tried to bypass the long line (thirty cars long) at the scales when I did not improve my time, I was stopped, brought back and made to scale (but I did get put right on them immediately). I told them that I did not improve and the reply was "it doesn't matter, you HAVE to scale". This was 2003 at a Division 1 race.

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Sorry you got hosed, Mike....

But as you know our Division Director is a gutless know nothing that will not stand up for a racer......

I have been their and done that with Mr. Rice...

Bob Mulry

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I am only posting this so you all can rip me - I am to old to care what internet junkies say..

I totally disagree about the remarks made here about Mike Rice ..

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In D2 both NHRA and IHRA you don't have to scale again if your Q pass did not improve over a previous one that you did scale and do fuel check for. been that way forever as far as I can remember.

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How do the guys at the scale or fuel check know if a car that drives past improved on his qualifying time or not?

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Div 3 we usually tell them we did not improve-generally they will wave you on unless they got the word that everybody will weigh or do fuel check-- if you improved your number is on a list--- if you did not weigh or do fuel check you will be notified and warned ---FED 387

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Some tracks the scales and fuel check are before the time slip booth like Boise, Mission you are in line before you get to both are at the same spot, Spokane, Vegas also atleast the last time i was there.

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It is a simple thumbs up if you improved and thumbs down if you didn't. Usually right before scales or fuel check....whichever comes first....why waste everyones time to fuel check or weigh if the run does not count????? Btw I have no complaints with
Mike Rice..

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Here is the deal with the said racer we watched do this. At Vegas when the line is long enough its behind the slip booth scales and fuel check . Every racer should know you do not just assume you're not going to get weighed or fuel check regardless if you improved , that is at the discretion of the tech official . But to blatantly drive past all looks pretty suspicious and per the rules its grounds for DQ . My point was to bring into light the lax of rules that were being implied through this whole event including what happened to Mikey... like someone posted we pay to have a level playing field regardless of the rules and it should be brought to the attention of the officials but when the officials don't care who does ??

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We went from ice falling off a car going down the track, to not crossing the scales!

Back to the original point. First, if I was the guy with the faster car that "couldn't" lose, I would not be putting ice on my intake! Second, the rule is very clear. It must be off the car prior to leaving the staging lanes. So the winning racer here deserves to be DQ'd!

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Ditto --

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I agree... and what about the Championship Points..............