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herbjr 05-04-2015 02:42 PM

Ok then tell me why?????
 
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Bryan Worner 05-04-2015 03:48 PM

Re: Ok then tell me why?????
 
Again??? Are you serious?

gbur 05-04-2015 07:18 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by herbjr (Post 469630)
Mark Young made first round bye, was pulled off the scales asked to remove jacket as wires were found under the seat....device found.....then he leaves before second round. We have him on video from 1994 turning the button on the top but ihra wouldnt look at it,

SO Ken may I post my old video from 20 years ago? Just asking before I do it.

please post , even if big K takes it down

Yo Ken 05-04-2015 07:35 PM

Re: Ok then tell me why?????
 
Herb, I don't think its right making accusations about other racers without proof. Until IHRA puts something on their website, it is all just hearsay. How would you feel if someone accused you on an open forum without any proof.

Posting something from 20 years ago would not be appropriate at this time.

I think we should wait and see what IHRA says, if anything.


Ken

herbjr 05-04-2015 08:17 PM

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Yo Ken 05-04-2015 08:27 PM

Re: Ok then tell me why?????
 
I am not friends with him, and no need to copy and paste anything. If a 100 people said they new the reason, it still makes no difference. When IHRA tells why he was dq'd, then everyone can comment, until then it is just hearsay.

I'm sorry if you don't like it, but those are the rules and I ask you to respect them. I will not let members make accusations without proof, end of story. I know its easy to jump on a bandwagon, but you need to take a step back and ask yourself, what if it was me being accused without proof.

I ask members to wait and see what IHRA has to say, and then you can comment all you wish.


Ken

herbjr 05-04-2015 08:38 PM

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Mustang1987 05-04-2015 08:45 PM

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herbjr 05-04-2015 08:59 PM

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Mustang 1987, you joined May of 2015, you have made 3 post all on this topic, why dont you sign your post with your real name?

Dave Noll 05-04-2015 09:24 PM

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Chris Kilraine 05-04-2015 09:55 PM

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I have to agree with Ken, call him, ask him....
That's a pretty abrasive comment....in fact, slander...

herbjr 05-04-2015 10:03 PM

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Chris it's not slander if its the truth,

Geerhead55 05-04-2015 10:07 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by herbjr (Post 469685)
Why don't you call Mark and ask him. If I was being falsely accused I would defend myself.

Its not Ken's responsibility to call anyone and ask them or to "friend" someone either. You simply asked him permission to post a video and he asked you not to and even offered an explanation, which I thought was more than reasonable. Ken doesn't need me or anyone else to speak for him, but you're being a little antagonistic here after not getting your way. Theres nothing wrong with backing off some, and letting this play out. You yourself stated he was on a bye, so you obviously weren't in the other lane to be immediately affected by the alledged action. You've gotten our interest now, so lets see how this developes. My 2 cents,, so flame me now.
Danny Durham

T Ames 05-04-2015 10:13 PM

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Agree with Mr. Noll.

Ed Fernandez 05-04-2015 11:19 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Noll (Post 469694)

I got the butter.

Mickey Whaley 05-05-2015 11:25 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez (Post 469706)
I got the butter.

Nice ears

Ed Fernandez 05-05-2015 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Mickey Whaley (Post 469746)
Nice ears

Mickey, put that 12 gauge down and step away.

Mickey Whaley 05-05-2015 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez (Post 469765)
Mickey, put that 12 gauge down and step away.

Never harm that little fella where you been?

Jim Wahl 05-05-2015 05:20 PM

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Yeah, where ya been? I've missed your jersy accent! Jim

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Ed Fernandez 05-06-2015 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Mickey Whaley (Post 469769)
Never harm that little fella where you been?

Mickey, I sold all my stuff 3 years ago. Now I spend my time driving a flat bed and working on a '65 mustang and a '65 rambler american wagon. Also learning to master the fine art of accuracy with black powder muzzleloaders . 50 yds no problem,100 yds not so easy.

Ed Fernandez 05-06-2015 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim Wahl (Post 469780)
Yeah, where ya been? I've missed your jersy accent! Jim

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Jim, that's a NY accent.

Michael Beard 05-06-2015 09:20 AM

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The discussion is important in order to keep the sanctioning body accountable. If the events at the track were widely known, and the sanctioning body does not make an announcement and/or act on it, then we have a much larger problem.

HR9121 05-06-2015 09:57 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael Beard (Post 469840)
The discussion is important in order to keep the sanctioning body accountable. If the events at the track were widely known, and the sanctioning body does not make an announcement and/or act on it, then we have a much larger problem.

I agree 100% Michael, but in today's society what a person can say about someone else is a fine line. I received messages wondering why I was taking up for the individual when nothing could be further from the truth. I don't even know him, I was actually trying to stop some people from saying something they might regret later.
The rules of the forum are there to protect the forum as well as the individual that might make an accusation against someone else without definitive proof. Some of the things being said could cause someone much bigger problems other than being kicked off a message board.

Jim Wahl 05-06-2015 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez (Post 469812)
Jim, that's a NY accent.

Oooooops! Sorry Ed. Missed ya anyway. Jim

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rognelson777 05-07-2015 08:42 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael Beard (Post 469840)
The discussion is important in order to keep the sanctioning body accountable. If the events at the track were widely known, and the sanctioning body does not make an announcement and/or act on it, then we have a much larger problem.

I could not agree more, There seems to be a lot of hearsay about events. Any witnesses or just rumors?

Mickey Whaley 05-07-2015 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez (Post 469811)
Mickey, I sold all my stuff 3 years ago. Now I spend my time driving a flat bed and working on a '65 mustang and a '65 rambler american wagon. Also learning to master the fine art of accuracy with black powder muzzleloaders . 50 yds no problem,100 yds not so easy.

50 yards no problem trying to reload with a 500 pd bear coming at you, PROBLEM mustang looks nice now get ur azz back on the racetrack

Ed Fernandez 05-08-2015 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Mickey Whaley (Post 469988)
50 yards no problem trying to reload with a 500 pd bear coming at you, PROBLEM mustang looks nice now get ur azz back on the racetrack

Feets don't fail me now.

Mike Meier 05-08-2015 03:04 AM

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If that's what you've been working on besides cars I'm glad I got out of Jersey....buncha Yankees (sorry, had to throw that in there).



Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez (Post 469811)
Mickey, I sold all my stuff 3 years ago. Now I spend my time driving a flat bed and working on a '65 mustang and a '65 rambler american wagon. Also learning to master the fine art of accuracy with black powder muzzleloaders . 50 yds no problem,100 yds not so easy.


Keith 944 05-08-2015 09:03 AM

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Well its been a week, no reply at all from IHRA is this just going to be swept under the rug?
If, and I stress IF this was an electronics being found issue, and nothing is done other than a DQ, than I would say this was a cowardly act on IHRA's part not to hold said racer accountable and keep a fair and honest playing field for everyone. To me that type of infraction is the same intent as steeling from other competitors. either way, we should know why the DQ.

Chuck Beach 05-08-2015 09:30 AM

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Not saying this is right but, tough for IHRA to suspend a guy that supports IHRA. They already have to deal with very low car counts at most events.

Michael Beard 05-08-2015 10:01 AM

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Well its been a week, no reply at all from IHRA is this just going to be swept under the rug?
If, and I stress IF this was an electronics being found issue, and nothing is done other than a DQ, than I would say this was a cowardly act on IHRA's part not to hold said racer accountable and keep a fair and honest playing field for everyone. To me that type of infraction is the same intent as steeling from other competitors. either way, we should know why the DQ.

That's exactly what I was saying. Just because they don't announce something doesn't mean it didn't happen. Robert Staton was suspended indefinitely (http://www.ihra.com/competition/comp...t/category/200) many years ago. I was working for IHRA at the time and physically held his homemade delay device in my hand. If this was a similar incident and not dealt with in the same fashion, then it constitutes a MAJOR problem.


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Originally Posted by Chuck Beach (Post 470032)
Not saying this is right but, tough for IHRA to suspend a guy that supports IHRA. They already have to deal with very low car counts at most events.

ABSOLUTELY NOT! Rules are rules.

With proper rules enforcement, car counts go UP. They have been more proactive in the last year or two, and car counts have been going up. Piedmont, Richmond, and Farmington were all strong events.

Tracy Robbins 05-08-2015 10:57 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuck Beach (Post 470032)
Not saying this is right but, tough for IHRA to suspend a guy that supports IHRA. They already have to deal with very low car counts at most events.

If nothing is done they stand to lose more than just his one car. Many are waiting to see if action will be taken and if nothing happens credibility will be lost.

Rusty2211 05-08-2015 11:11 AM

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I was at the Rockingham Invitational about 20 years ago when NHRA found a delay box in his trunk if I remember correctly. That may have pre-dated the NHRA website or twitter..

Herbie Null 05-08-2015 11:28 AM

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This brings back some old memeories, I was right in front of lets just say ( Blank Blank ) on the scales at Rockingham when they were checking cars for a delay box and the tech offical yelled out we got it. The next round as I pulled up on the scales there it was in plain sight with a sign that read this delay box was found in ( Blank Blanks ) car. I was thinking how embarrassing this must be for him, then I thought F..K that cheating ****. This is theft and most of all its saying to your fellow racers screw you to. Racers found with a Delay box should be banned for life. The term ( Blank Blank ) racer is to protect the innocent.

Jim Wahl 05-08-2015 12:27 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rusty2211 (Post 470044)
I was at the Rockingham Invitational about 20 years ago when NHRA found a delay box in his trunk if I remember correctly. That may have pre-dated the NHRA website or twitter..

I was there and remember it well. Jim


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JeremyDuncan 05-08-2015 12:47 PM

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The official that found the delay box was presented the violating delay box mounted on a plaque and he still has it!

I agree with Herb. The offender should be banned for LIFE from racing NHRA or IHRA.

Rusty2211 05-08-2015 01:07 PM

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I think there is all sorts of electrical frivolity going on. I'd love to see NHRA do more checking on this stuff. As for Mr. Blank, he should move over to Super Gas and run with the Pro Stock Trucks and call it a day.

Jeffl52 05-09-2015 02:27 PM

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Agree 100%. We all spend hundreds of hours and thousands of dollars on our cars to make them faster, to make them more consistent, and practice to drive them better. In this situation if IHRA doesnt make a decision for a suspension or lifetime ban I for one will not support them anymore. I can't speak for my father and brothers but I'm sure they feel the same way. Jeff Longhany

freddie tyson 05-09-2015 03:15 PM

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I do not have a dog in this fight , BUT CHEATING IS CHEATING, the racer everyone is speaking of was caught last year for the same infraction, he should be banned from IHRA as well as NHRA just like some bracket racers were banned years ago for illegal MATTY boxes and this was at a local level, bottom line if you are wrong you are wrong! and to get caught less than a year later for the same thing is wrong for the IHRA to continue to let him race...He should be banned and stripped of all points and removed from the roster. To use the excuse should not be banned because of low car counts is stupid and the person who said that should be laughed out of town with him...If you are going to allow this why not do away with the rule book and make it A RUN WHAT YOU BRUNG ORGANIZATION......:eek:

Frank Bialas 05-09-2015 09:43 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by HR9121 (Post 469846)
I agree 100% Michael, but in today's society what a person can say about someone else is a fine line. I received messages wondering why I was taking up for the individual when nothing could be further from the truth. I don't even know him, I was actually trying to stop some people from saying something they might regret later.
The rules of the forum are there to protect the forum as well as the individual that might make an accusation against someone else without definitive proof. Some of the things being said could cause someone much bigger problems other than being kicked off a message board.

I don't regret much that I might say, because I don't give a rats azz about the liberal/bleeding/tree-hugging society that we are becoming. Did you get a ice cream or a slice of pizza when you got beat/lost growing up??? CHANGE is upon us, not good!!! Can't play with the rest of us? oh well so you have to cheat a n d got caught, SEE -YA now you you have all the time to go fishing/golfing or even landscaping.ENTITLEMENT funny that's what I wipe my azz with.


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