Pro Mod or Pro Stock?
 

Would you like to see Pro Mod replace Pro Stock?

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Lord no!

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I would like to see the new cars replace both :eek:

Kevin

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I would not want to see that,,,, totally different animal.
Danny Durham

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Factory Stock to replace Pro Stock!

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Absolutely not.

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add JR. Pro Stock

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Pro mod is just another noisy bracket car which run fast to draw unknowing spectators.Top Sportsman, Top Dragster are all in the same plan. Allow people to race a fast car without competing to build the most HP from the same motors..or parts. Removes one part of racing but allows racers to run fast and feel they are getting off cheaper.... Less thrashing dyno time etc.

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Absolutely not but could see the new factory cars replacing Pro Stock sometime in the future as long as they are not allowed to morph into what we now have in Pro Stock.

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This my vote, pro stock not as appealing to me as it used to be. pro mod just another blower class, never cared for it at all.

Ernie Neal
SS 354

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Even though today's PS doesn't resemble a factory car,it's still a performance based category.I wouldn't eliminate the class unless the car counts really fall.As for PM,today's performance levels achieved are closer to a TAFC,being about 3 tenths slower.

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No, leave Pro Mod where it is.


They do need to FIX Pro Stock, it is basically all Camaros now.


How about the supercharged new cars in Super Stock (Ford, Chevy and Mopar) made as equal as possible and run them as Pro STOCK, stock hoods and all?????


Just my 2 cents which ain't worth much these days.

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To ask this question here in the Stock/SS section, a performance based class is not going to get a vote towards PM. PM is a power adder class every way you slice it. PS is a performance based class, yes lots of dollars to play, but they don't turn up the boost, or add more nitrous to compete against the competition. PS has to work on the entire package to compete against their competition and finding HP is one of the keys to being competitive. PS is a different style of racing and is not comparable to PM in my opinion. S/SS racers have an understanding of what it takes to compete in a performance based class, where most do not understand the investment and hours required to run a car without just throwing power adders or parts at it.

Just a simplified view, PM is not a replacement for PS. PS may have issues and it needs to update with the times, but it is not dead yet.

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I agree. It's which Camaro will win today. Anymore it's Erica. The all Camaro show has lost me.

Jeff :)

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I would love to see f/s replace pro stock but very un likely. If pro stock doesn't change an car counts keep falling they got to do something.and can't deny pro mod puts the fans in the seats.

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When I go up to watch Pro Stock, the stands pretty much empty after Top Fuel and Funny Car. Hardly anybody up there watching anything else. I haven't notice that many watching pro mod.

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pro Mod is a all out class. there is no bracket racing there.

But I would not want them to switch.

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jr pro stock

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As a racer or fan?

It's the same answer for me, Pro Mod. With a clutch. But Pro Stock is probably my second favorite class.

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PS is good ,close racing but that's about the only good thing about.
The body mods allowed is what lost it for me.
They look like Pro Mods on gas.
Don't even watch it anymore.

I'd watch this:

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Mark thanks for sharing that video.


To quote John Denver - "FAR OUT"

One of the coolest videos I have seen.

Way more fun than the current crop of Pro Stock cars run by NHRA.

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The old timers still prefer Pro Stock but its boring and all the same cars , basically.
Pro Mod , on the other hand , has much greater spectator appeal as well as participation from racers. Never mind VARIETY.
As far as I'm concerned , Pro Stock either needs a complete over haul or should just die........no one except the racers and old timers really care about PS any more. After the early nineties it became too predictable anyway.
In other words , make PS small blocks and fuel injection / turbos , but the cry babies that participate would never embrace that concept.

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Anybody that thinks that Pro Mod is not a performance based class has obviously never raced it. Thinking that all you have to do is just "turn up the boost" to go quicker is ridiculous. A power adder engine is no different from a naturally aspirated engine, in respect to the fact the whole package has to be worked on to make the most of it.
There is only so much "boost' available from any given power adder. and all of the max effort Pro Mods that show up at a NHRA race have long passed the performance level that it alone provides. Once that threshold has been reached, extra power has to be found in the details, (heads, cam, stroke/bore ratios, etc) exactly like a naturally aspirated engine. And then, they are faced with the daunting task of getting all of the power to hook.
I've spent a lot of time with Pro Mods in the past. As a spectator and fan, I would much rather watch them than Pro Stock. As a racer, I would still rather go with Pro Mod. Quicker is ALWAYS better, lol.

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Pro Stock died years ago and became carbed Funnycar.

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There's other classes than S and SS?? Who knew?



Make the new cars P/S and get rid of pro mod/top oilers/frumpy cars/etc

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Between the two I prefer Pro Mod for the following reasons

Unique power trains. NHRA has done a really good job balancing out different combos. Pro Stock has become cookie cutter powerplants that don't resemble anything ever built but any of the factories.

Big fields - you actually have to qualify BUT the competition is close enough that you can not qualify and then win the next like Bill Glidden did this year.
Also the limited schedule and costs associated with the cars help get more Pro Mod participation. The fact that other sanctioning bodies have similar classes helps also. If you don't think Pro Stock has too many races last year Enders took a couple off and still won the championship. Also there are a handful of races that don't get all 16. Pro Mod's schedule looks better to me. And I have heard pro Stock teams are spending upwards of $200k annually in valve springs, $8k for a set of carbs, etc. Hard to bring new people in if that's the cost of being in the running.

Fans - I think Pro Mod draws a younger fanbase. I don't think most kids that are getting into cars are looking at building big block carburated cars and marveling at how they work. EFI, Turbos, nitrous, etc. are relevent to street performance. Search Camaro Supercharger kit and half a dozen pop up in the ads.

Explosiveness. Pro mod has a little bit of that unpredictabilty to it.

This is not to say that I don't respect Pro Stock but if I could only watch one, it would be Pro Mod.

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Pro Stock all day! I admire Naturally Aspirated engines more. There's just something special about Pro Stock to me. I know and understand Pro Mod racing but it doesn't have the same luster. That said, I agree that fans and the next generations of racers prefer Pro Mod. They care much more about going fast in anyway possible vs caring about the way in which they go fast. Which is why the expense of class racing makes no sense to them. They would much rather spend 50k to go 7s than spend 50k and be slower in a comp or super stock class.

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The stands would be empty.

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Factory Stock is far more interesting than Pro Stock and in my humble opinion could be the salvation of the troubled NHRA.

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Too slow, and don't make enough noise for the spectators. And actually get down the track too often. Same as Pro Stock n

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Pro Mod cars are fun, but like the nitro, and alcohol cars,other than the top 6-8 cars, they are NO different than Pro Stock. At Indy, and St Louis 2014 they did not have large crowds watching, and @ St Louis, about half made it down the track, on the last qualifying run, and in round 1,also

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"Pro Mod" is pretty much the old style more open rules of TA/FC or TA/D from the old days of Pro Comp, stuffed into a stretched wheelbase Pro Stock style chassis. Nitrous on this one, blower on that one, turbo on the other one.

Yes, they can be fast. They also crash on a regular basis, and it is not at all uncommon to see entire sessions where not a single one of them makes a full clean pass. Yes, I understand why that is the case. That does not change the fact that, after the new wears off of it, the fans will look elsewhere.

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Don't hold your breath on that one. You have a passion for Pro Stock and if surveyed ( PS to PM ) you'd be in the minority.
Like I said before...........the PS class has become a bore , all Camaros and not very exciting to watch. You can be sure of this................if they don't rethink the concept of the class , it will die off within the next 10 years. Pro Mod will continue to increase in popularity and PS's will diminish.
Pro Stock? Give me a break...........500 inches and carbs? How much more detatched from the production platform can you get?
Small blocks and fuel injection / turbos are waaay more appropriate to suggest anything even "remotely" indicative of Pro "stock".
At a minimum get rid of the 500 inch combos..........

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If you build, or know anything about, building engines, it is hard to not be impressed and fascinated with the power levels, and the technology. Plus close races, and pretty much everybody making decent passes every time.

If your more impressed with noise, explosions, out of shape cars, and track oil downs, fuel cars & pro mods are for you. The vast majority of the people in the stands fall into the latter group.

At national events, the stands still pretty much empty after the fuel cars run. I go up to watch Pro Stock, not all that many stay to watch the pro mod cars. They draw well at small tracks, where everything else is bracket cars. People mostly don't watch the alky cars either. You can pretty much pick your seat.

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This hands down is one of the craziest, most un-informed post I have ever read on this board! Yes Pro Stock and Pro Mod are different animals and each has there own fan base but to say that Pro Mods are just noisy bracket cars and there is no competition to see who can be the best with a given set of rules in the class is crazy! Tell that to Reher Morrison, Buck, Sonny, or Pro Line. I promise those guys beat up the dynos to make those motors better every day. Tell guys like Bill Glidden, Rickie Smith, Steve Petty etc that they are just running a loud bracket car, and due to the fact it has a power adder on it, requires no technical skill or no changing of parts or set up to go as fast as possible under a given set of rules.

If building and competitively racing a "power adder" car is as easy as some of you think, you should get one and try it some time. You might walk away with a different opinion.

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Exactly what fuel injected small block Pro Mod car are you talking about? And for that matter, how many supercharged 500 inch cars are they making these days? Especially running on a 14-71 blower and a buzzard catcher, or a 120MM turbo charger, or maybe 2-3 stage of nitrous? Sorry, not buying the idea that a stretched wheelbase Pro Stock chassis and body that looks like a funny car with a 500 cubic inch supercharged or nitrous injected engine is closer to modern production cars than a normally aspirated Pro Stock car.

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Look at it like this for a minute. Its easy to say kill Pro Stock or change to this or that. When you don't own one or have to pay for the changes. How would we like it if someone decided to kill Stock and Super Stock? After the whole PST deal I think it would take alot for NHRA to kill another class. Especially a Pro class.

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Neither of them are even close to resembling modern production cars.

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Alan , did you actually READ what I said.......read it again. Your reply has zero connection to my post.
I SAID..............PRO STOCK should be small blocks w/ fuel injection and or turbos.
Read my post again.
Leave Pro Mod out of this..........

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Pro Mod is awesome. Pro Stock is not.

Pro Mod represent the roots of competitive drag racing. Run whatcha brung. Different cars, some crazy stuff, some not so crazy, various combination, innovation, and most of all, scary fast and exciting.

Pro Stock used to be great, but not anymore. The fire burned out long ago. It's become pretty much the naturally aspirated version of funny car. What a shame.

For my money, Pro Mod over Pro Stock any day and twice on Sunday.