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Check it out! 87 MonteCarlo 262/140/140. There's a new bad azz loose in U/SA and V/SA!

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Saw it yesterday-killer combo. Bet there will be one at Indy.

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Ohh Yawnn, here we go again, another U/SA at the top of qualifying. And the FS guys think they have competition. Would love to see the Caddy, Olds, the Pick-up truck and now the Monte qualify 1-2-3 and 4 at Indy. NHRA will have to do some shuffling and make them their own eliminator.

Ron Ortiz
U/SA bolstering the lower half of the field.

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What a joke. Same factored HP as a `79 231 2 bbl Buick.

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and my '70 230 1bbl Nova!

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Isn't this "anti racing"? Find something for nothing and rated at nothing to race nobody? Just to prove people have made mistakes on factoring. Sorry guys I am from the old school camp of beating someone with hard work, and driving skill instead of a rule book "slip"

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disclaimer- I have nothing to do with it, but I can say a I am glad one of my mentors to the slow cars wars is coming back!

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It could Deb Fickler on top with her El Camino.

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Hey Dick you for got one thing in your statement .It should be " i'm for beating someone with hard work,driving and Spending More Money than them".LOL

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Lyn, Its not about the money if NHRA would fix the problems. Money only gets involved when the rules allow any Wild parts. I have been campaigning for a return of a MOD style or spec class where working with the basic stuff to run is what counts instead of a new Turbo Mustang or Supercharged or new material bearings..
Mod was the format and NHRA missed when they chose it to delete. two or three wt breaks or spec combos to satisfy ford or Chrysler and chevy racers would do tons to level the field on Money issues.

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When qualifying and going fast becomes a factor in the chase for money, then the dime rockets will not longer cost dimes. I'm glad for there to be more options for people to build cars that don't have to cost so much money and be competitive. The costs associated with attending and traveling is enough by itself to be a stumbling block for people to get involved, much less $30k plus to have a car to compete with. Now if we can just figure out how to win with one of those dime rockets.


Dick, I love that you are so passionate about what you feel is an answer with the mod classes. However, if it would come to pass that your class became an eliminator formula that opened doors for real prize money, titles and championship type support, the cost of competing in your class would be more than it is for an SS car.

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Dick, build one of your "non wild spec motors" and show how cheap it can be done.

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Dime rockets require hard work too...

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X2 - But I am glad to see something added that can be built on a budget. Only real way to get more people out there racing - younger generation.

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The "younger generation" can't relate to old cars! That MonteCarlo is 28 years old! I hate to say it but we need V6 and 4 cylinder new Mustangs, Camaros and Challengers in the guide and rated as to be competitive. And in dragracing, the FWD stuff ain't gonna cut it.

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Mostly agreed, Billy. Why aren't the new cars in the guide like had been done in the past. NHRA doesn't want a new V6 or 4-cyl car racing? Or is it the manufacturers?

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I am a little confused as to how this can be called a "dime rocket". Isn't the cost of pistons,rings,camshafts,valves,ignition,headers,ma chine work,transmission,torque converter,shifter, rear gears, spool,axles,wheels,slicks,fuel system,efi computer,paint,gauges,and all the miscellaneous stuff about the same as most other cars?
Jim

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Spec motor from Jegs $4848.00 Sealed and ready to go.....

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I started racing when mid high tens was pretty fast for a B-C/SA (or pro brackets) car but no more, now I am usually racing as a slow car and it has given me new respect for the art behind being the first to leave. At least I have two carbs and some compression so it isn't that difficult to dial "hard". Those tiny undercarburated combos are so sensitive, they certainly have their work cut out for them!

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Jim, you are right. If you put the best of everything that you've mentioned into this combo it wouldn't be a "Dime Rocket" but it would be one very fast car. This combo is so good that it could be built (very easily) without using the best of everything and would still run well under the index.
I'll bet that this combo shows up at Indy and qualifies easily in the top 10.

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Jim, the assumption of a 'dime rocket' is that a lot of the expensive stuff that seems SOP when building a car that will have to compete against highly thrashed out combinations will not be necessary. If you have an engine combination that has a power factor that is favorable, then it is not necessary to have $800 pistons, aftermarket rods, $300 valves etc. etc. make enough power to be competitive. Same approach can be pushed all the way through the build process. These low hp automatic trans cars often do not need aftermarket axles or $500 driveshafts, or $700 converters. Also, it is assumed with a 'dime rocket' that you can do most of the build (don't have to pay for expensive work) and are willing to have a car without a $3000 paint job and all the latest and greatest tricks and parts. Think about being able to be competitive (.5 under or so) with common rebuilder engine parts and mostly stock or used parts in the ignition and drive train. Of course, it takes a sophisticated mind set to see that driving and consistency and a bit of luck is what wins races and not the ET or the flashy looking car or the WOW-ey qualifying performances.

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Dwight, you just brought tears to my eyes, you silver-tongued devil!

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"anti racing" ?? .... seems to me anyone added to a qualifying sheet should
be welcomed and viewed as a plus. When there are no racers there will be no racing. As far as "mistakes on factoring"
when GM produced V-6 monte carlos and el camino's they probably
were not too worried about advertised h.p factor for sales or the nhra guide. When nhra
has no on track data on a combo they pretty much have no choice
but to start out as "advertised" and go from there. When the big 3
release a performance car h.p. may be exagerated if anything trying
to bolster sales. Ever see h.p. stickers on cars where nhra has
actually factored nhra h.p. below advertised ? say like 380/370
something like that ? I have noticed these at times. I am sure takes
several racers running same combo and petitioning for that to happen.
I imagine Nhra does not just arbitrarily guess something may be over factored.
One thing for sure they are not always going to please everyone.
I am sure it is a lot of work to add a combo to the guide.
Someone requested this and hopefully we see one soon.!!

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Which brings up a question inquiring minds would like to know: How does one go about getting a combination added to the class guide?

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No more of a joke than the Caddy which is the most bogus S/SS combo of all time :rolleyes: 350 cubes big valves EFI @170 HP

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The late model 6 cyl. Mustangs have been in the classification guide for 2 seasons now. ( 2011-2014 models )

Not exactly dime rockets IMO, even if you do find a flood damage or collision repair car and put the roll bar in it and other mandated stuff.
It's possible you could get one race ready for less than $ 10K I suppose.

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what are the differences between this engine combo and the V-6 truck? head, intake #s, cc's etc

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A lot. Its not near the engine.

I can guarantee the one you will see soon will be fast!

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Not even close. More compression,a little less cam but a hydraulic roller,fuel injected and over 300 pounds lighter from where Mr. Hill`s truck started out at Indy last year.

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Truck uses a 4 barrel q-jet, 87 uses a 2 barrel fuel injection. Big different on cam shaft 357-390 vers truck 430,Tom

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Ask your division tech director and they will
need help from manufacturer for engine specs.
Division 5 tech has been willing to help with this
if they are able to get what they need from manufacturer.
Probably does not happen real fast..?

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It's so easy , even a caveman could do it. LOL....For help with creative combinations call. .1 800 Pat Cvengros.....M.J.

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Uh, you do know that your defending NHRA Stock National Champion is 25, right? :rolleyes:

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86 Cutlass was my first two door car!! Am I younger generation? I hope so, doesn't make a difference here.. but make me feel a lot better!! LOL, oh, to make this even better, I hate the new factory cars!! hahaha!! Im just kidding you guys, younger generations now a days can mean a lot of things..when it comes to cars... its a universal language. those guys(kids) running the rice rockets are just as much car guys as anyone else. the point in this thread is that theres something there that you don't need a million dollars to tow, maintain and run...and if the word gets out through guys "old generation" like you guys, maybe they'll start running it. Stock, Super Stock is a thinking mans game, it never changes...were goin out for #1 qualifier and as far under as we can go. Its competition and ingenuity at its finest, and if its cheap, like stock was intended to be...great...we just made it easier for some of our friends to get involved. That's my 10 cents worth!!

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And what would be the median age of the average S/SS racer?

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Since you asked, the closest year to compare would be a 1991 truck. It gets .430/.430 roller cam(vs.357/.390), less compression, different head casting and intake casting but they are both TBI, not CFI or PFI. The truck is rated at 180!

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Leave it to billy to find this. Trusted and acurate for sure.
Kinda interesting that was advertised 160 changed
to 180 1/1/13. I assume based on track data from someone
running that combo? also interesting fleetside 454 advertised
255 nhra 310 pw factor 11.94 with no update date?? does
anyone no of anybody ever running this combo??

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Gonna put in my 02 cents I would love to race Stock but seems like dime rockets aren't any less expensive then anything else

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Less than copo's dragpacks or the new mustang's for sure !!
Finding a good combo and a decent "dime" car to start with adds
to the challenge for sure especially those in michigan?
A barely run blown mustang sold a auction in denver last week for
80k.

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The under carb. V6 truck engine has a 800 cfm Q Jet on it.