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SSDiv6 07-14-2015 11:48 AM

New NHRA Horsepower Hits!
 
http://www.nhraracer.com/content/gen...989&zoneid=132

Michael Iacono 07-14-2015 12:13 PM

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Any idea how the 396/325 got 5hp? I didn't think it was triggered and I thought Englishtown was a mine-shaft rule race. I see Steve Sawka went -.97 in qualifying at the Virginia divisional. He lost first round and results are not posted on DRC. Maybe he triggered it in round 1.

Monte Howard 07-14-2015 12:48 PM

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Did I read that right 67-70 Camaro/nova 350 295hp got 4 hp. If so I would like to know how???

countrypuppy4865 07-14-2015 01:32 PM

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I'm not 100% sure, but I believe the triggers still count at mineshaft races. They use none of the numbers for the average, but the trigger still counts.

Bob Gullett 07-14-2015 01:38 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael Iacono (Post 476381)
Any idea how the 396/325 got 5hp? I didn't think it was triggered and I thought Englishtown was a mine-shaft rule race. I see Steve Sawka went -.97 in qualifying. He lost first round and results are not posted on DRC. Maybe he triggered it in round 1.

In Boise Alan Messer ran a second under but that was with a stick car.

Michael Iacono 07-14-2015 01:41 PM

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From the Lucas Oil Website:

"If at the conclusion of qualifying the first competitor in the bottom half of the field is -.850 seconds or more under the class index, the Q and E Data will not be used for the mid-year and year end reviews. This will only apply to qualified fields of 32 or more cars."

I guess you are right Hidalgo. I did it to myself!

Gary H Humrichouse 07-14-2015 02:24 PM

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Thanks !!

my69396 07-14-2015 04:15 PM

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Did anyone else here that the horsepower was going to be adjusted once a year? I was told before Chicago that the adjustments were going to be made once a year at the end of the year.

Tommy Gaynor 07-14-2015 04:28 PM

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Did i read this correctly, LT1 Camaro and Firebirds got some power back?

GM 350 275-285 340 345 93-98 Cam/Fire


I thought it was over 350hp after Charlotte.

Tony Goodman 07-14-2015 04:34 PM

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That's for the manual trans LT1 cars.

Jack Matyas 07-14-2015 04:44 PM

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No SuperStock stuff ???????

Dwight Southerland 07-14-2015 04:52 PM

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Give'm time, Jack!


Changes are in the database at www.clasracerinfo.com

Larry Hill 07-14-2015 06:02 PM

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Shucks, I forgot to write my letter!

Greg Hill 07-14-2015 06:16 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by my69396 (Post 476409)
Did anyone else here that the horsepower was going to be adjusted once a year? I was told before Chicago that the adjustments were going to be made once a year at the end of the year.

I think that's from competitors requests. Surprised about the 350 and 396.

Doug McCue 07-14-2015 06:20 PM

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Does it ever go down?

Andys dad 07-14-2015 06:55 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dwight Southerland (Post 476418)
Give'm time, Jack!


Changes are in the database at www.clasracerinfo.com

You are missing an "s" in the website address

Ron

HR9121 07-14-2015 07:32 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Larry Hill (Post 476424)
Shucks, I forgot to write my letter!

You mind writing one for me Mr Larry?

John Duzac 07-14-2015 10:33 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by countrypuppy4865 (Post 476391)
I'm not 100% sure, but I believe the triggers still count at mineshaft races. They use none of the numbers for the average, but the trigger still counts.

I thought when the mineshaft rule was in effect, the AFIS did not count. Meaning you could run up to 119 under the index. Which is it?

HR9121 07-14-2015 10:39 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by John Duzac (Post 476446)
I thought when the mineshaft rule was in effect, the AFIS did not count. Meaning you could run up to 119 under the index. Which is it?

You are correct, as long as there are at least 32 or more cars qualified.

countrypuppy4865 07-14-2015 10:43 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by John Duzac (Post 476446)
I thought when the mineshaft rule was in effect, the AFIS did not count. Meaning you could run up to 119 under the index. Which is it?

I thought the same, but the way it is worded the runs only don't count toward the average. I'm assuming there will be clarification on this coming soon.

HR9121 07-14-2015 10:46 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by countrypuppy4865 (Post 476449)
I thought the same, but the way it is worded the runs only don't count toward the average. I'm assuming there will be clarification on this coming soon.

So you're saying even though the runs don't count you can still trigger a review?

Dwight Southerland 07-14-2015 10:53 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Andys dad (Post 476429)
You are missing an "s" in the website address

Ron

Correct. Old fingers mess up sometimes. :rolleyes:

farmco r/sa 07-14-2015 11:02 PM

Re: New NHRA Horsepower Hits!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Larry Hill (Post 476424)
Shucks, I forgot to write my letter!

Don't worry Larry... looks like no reductions
till next time. So get your letters in by fall for your
combo/combo's request. ;)

rod butcher 07-15-2015 07:58 AM

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I thought more combo's could have been hit as we have had several races where the DA was close to sea level. Virginia, Maple Grove, Etown and Epping were all mighty fast places. There were a lot of 1000' runs at these races trying to stay under the trigger.

Doug McCue 07-15-2015 07:58 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by farmco r/sa (Post 476453)
Don't worry Larry... looks like no reductions
till next time. So get your letters in by fall for your
combo/combo's request. ;)

Letters don't seem to bring reductions, it must be political.

countrypuppy4865 07-15-2015 09:24 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Doug McCue (Post 476461)
Letters don't seem to bring reductions, it must be political.

The letters bring reduction when paired with the appropriate numbers.

Charley Downing 07-15-2015 09:51 AM

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HP increase's are twice a year like they have been doing for 40 plus years. Reductions are only once a year because it was to much for Pat Cvengros to handle. Funny They have no problem doing increase's twice a year but no time for two reductions a year.

Mike Pearson 07-15-2015 09:59 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Charley Downing (Post 476466)
HP increase's are twice a year like they have been doing for 40 plus years. Reductions are only once a year because it was to much for Pat Cvengros to handle. Funny They have no problem doing increase's twice a year but no time for two reductions a year.

That's because no one requests an increase in Hp but lots of us request reductions.

Jeff Teuton 07-15-2015 11:42 AM

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Reductions are once a year cause Larry only needs once a year. He has the formula: (X-Y+Z) .365 >23/6

Larry Hill 07-15-2015 12:15 PM

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Jeff why did you chance the number to a fraction?

Michael Iacono 07-15-2015 01:47 PM

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Looks like the trigger was caused by Alan Messer who drives a stick car. I spoke to Pat Cvengros a few minutes ago and the horsepower will be removed today.

fredjohnston 07-15-2015 02:21 PM

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I guess there were no changes in the Super Stock HP or were they simply to lazy to post them?

Dave Casey 07-15-2015 02:38 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael Iacono (Post 476486)
Looks like the trigger was caused by Alan Messer who drives a stick car. I spoke to Pat Cvengros a few minutes ago and the horsepower will be removed today.

The way it was explained to me is that the engine gets triggered regardless of the transmission, (one run could be a stick and the other an auto) and then they look at the averages for both stick and auto and if either are more than .85 under, that engine/trans combo gets hp,

Steve Calabro 07-15-2015 07:31 PM

Re: New NHRA Horsepower Hits!
 
http://www.nhraracer.com/content/gen...017&zoneid=132

Brett C 07-15-2015 10:28 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Casey (Post 476492)
The way it was explained to me is that the engine gets triggered regardless of the transmission, (one run could be a stick and the other an auto) and then they look at the averages for both stick and auto and if either are more than .85 under, that engine/trans combo gets hp,

Not correct to my understanding. It is transmission dependent.

Todd Hoven 07-16-2015 06:18 AM

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So does this mean that when a mine shaft rule is in effect any runs that are 1.0 under or faster do not count against the average, or produce any triggers for review for that weekend?

Randall Klein 07-16-2015 07:36 AM

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Ah! The "simple" AHFS strikes again.

farmco r/sa 07-16-2015 09:09 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Randall Klein (Post 476552)
Ah! The "simple" AHFS strikes again.

I do not understand.? on the nhra competition
"more h.p. updates" dated 7/15/15 Superstock
changes it looks like on the first line the combo gets
a 6 hp. reduction. then on line 2 it looks like it looses 5 h.p.
and it lools like the same combo to me?

Marty Buth 07-16-2015 09:50 AM

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As I read the classification guide, it appears to be the same engine combination, but one is classified as "with P/G" (assuming power glide), which is the combo that got increased HP and the other one got reduced HP. Maybe some one more knowledgeable than me can clarify.

rtaylor3410 07-16-2015 11:36 AM

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Anybody know what/who triggered the 1987 Chevy 305 190/241 combo to get hit?


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