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Jeff Teuton 07-20-2015 11:13 PM
New Drag Pak Challengers
 
Two new cars this weekend debut at Denver. 426 Naturally Aspirated and 354 Blown. Kevin Helms will master one and I am not sure of the other. John Morris, our crew chief will be monitoring the action, and of course I will be there taking of the Political and Social aspect of the goings on. Numerous Mopar folks will be on hand. Should be a good time, and new cars are always exciting.

Stewart Way 07-20-2015 11:26 PM
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Do you get to bring these 2 cars home or are they Mopars cars? Are they in the race of just a debut at Mopars race. Look forward to your onsite report on both cars.

Jacob Pitt 07-21-2015 08:09 AM
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If you guys need a shoe for the other car give me a call! I've got plenty of grade points! Indy in a new Mopar would be awesome!

RJ Sledge 07-21-2015 08:24 AM
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Hey Jethro.....are you sure that KS has enough high altitude experience to get the job done???

Ya'll have a good time and tell John to keep you straight......

RJ

sammy pizzolato 07-21-2015 09:46 AM
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R J I Keep them all in line!!! that's my job.

Jeff Teuton 07-21-2015 10:05 AM
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Both cars are for Mopar, but we are negotiating on those two plus a couple that are laying around. I am trying to get a few things done on the production cars that come through me and are going to be raced and not collector vehicles. All previous Drag Paks have gone thru dealers for legal reasons and usually if a customer wants one and has trouble locally, then they somehow appear on my parts account right next to a fender or a wheel. There are always a few things that cost little or nothing that can be done that racers need. They are better race cars as a finished product than the 2011 V10 models were because of things learned on those models. I don't want to get into too many details, but the motors are really trick and are done by respected builders. There will probably be two blown motors; both 354, but different bore stroke,blocks, both 2.9 Whipple. This new head is very good and it's on two of the motors. Anyway I'm getting ahead of myself.

Rat Raceway 07-21-2015 11:31 AM
Re: New Drag Pak Challengers
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff Teuton (Post 477047)
Two new cars this weekend debut at Denver. 426 Naturally Aspirated and 354 Blown. Kevin Helms will master one and I am not sure of the other. John Morris, our crew chief will be monitoring the action, and of course I will be there taking of the Political and Social aspect of the goings on. Numerous Mopar folks will be on hand. Should be a good time, and new cars are always exciting.

Are you guys racing or just running them as a exhibition?

I don't see Mr. Helms name on the list and entry is now closed.

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DonatoEng 07-21-2015 11:56 AM
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Jeff,
Reminds me of 2008 Denver, wish I could be there this time.

69camz28 07-21-2015 01:08 PM
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Good Luck in Denver, Jeff - I'll be listening online! Very excited for these new cars and I am really looking forward to the upcoming Factory Showdown at Indy. It's hard to believe that's just over a month away....


~Jeff

Jeff Teuton 07-21-2015 04:41 PM
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NHRA felt the other competitors would feel Kevin had an advantage with the extra passes if he was allowed to enter. Mopar was OK with the idea. We started to enter and bring our caravan out there, but it's just a little far. John, I wish you could be here. If anyone had an huge part of the DP program, it was you.

Rat Raceway 07-21-2015 05:33 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff Teuton (Post 477128)
NHRA felt the other competitors would feel Kevin had an advantage with the extra passes if he was allowed to enter. Mopar was OK with the idea. We started to enter and bring our caravan out there, but it's just a little far. John, I wish you could be here. If anyone had an huge part of the DP program, it was you.

What day are you guys making passes? Sunday?

Jeff Teuton 07-21-2015 05:36 PM
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I think some runs Wed, Thur, Fri, and Sunday is what I'm seeing, but I can't say that. Could be one run each day. I didn't say that.

Ron Middleton 07-27-2015 09:30 AM
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Any updates? I haven't seen anything on this over the weekend.

Bimbo Jones 07-27-2015 09:41 AM
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Watching the Mile High Nationals last night they showed the new Drag Pack cars and part of an exhibition run by the two. I don't know who was behind the wheel in the right lane but they almost took one of the centerline cones. I think it was the 60' one. Anyway they are neat cars.

Ron Middleton 07-27-2015 09:50 AM
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I missed lst nights show but knew they wouldn't say much about it anyway.

Floyd Staggs 07-29-2015 06:50 AM
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Never did say how they ran.

69camz28 07-29-2015 11:11 AM
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Any update on this, Mr. Jeff?

Jeff Teuton 07-29-2015 07:37 PM
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Well, we are back. The cars put on a good show, but the motors were so turned down, we were not sure they would start. They were both about one second under in spite very slow 60' times. And of course the 9000 or so DA don't help. The blown car ran high 60's @ 157 in Detroit and the 426 ran 9 low teens @ 148. Ten degrees timing. The engineers had to hide the computer from us. It was a lot of fun.

The Hawk 07-29-2015 09:03 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bimbo Jones (Post 477726)
Watching the Mile High Nationals last night they showed the new Drag Pack cars and part of an exhibition run by the two. I don't know who was behind the wheel in the right lane but they almost took one of the centerline cones. I think it was the 60' one. Anyway they are neat cars.
John Bandimere III, Sporty ran the car that got close to the centerline.

Dick Butler 07-29-2015 09:22 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff Teuton (Post 477982)
Well, we are back. The cars put on a good show, but the motors were so turned down, we were not sure they would start. They were both about one second under in spite very slow 60' times. And of course the 9000 or so DA don't help. The blown car ran high 60's @ 157 in Detroit and the 426 ran 9 low teens @ 148. Ten degrees timing. The engineers had to hide the computer from us. It was a lot of fun.
Jeff, The continued advances are great. The new cars are good for drag racing. My only question is where they will run in classes available? Will they be significantly faster than the current cars?

Jeff Teuton 07-29-2015 10:40 PM
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As tested the blown is FS/A and the 426 is FS/C. There is so much left for the hard racer. I think Mopar will try to get more in the hands of racers for the exposure. Course it's like any new car. Takes some beating on. These engineers that design and build these are really smart guys, but it takes a drag racer to beat the tenths out of them.

Stewart Way 07-29-2015 10:45 PM
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Any stick option so Kevin can have some fun if/when you get on?

69camz28 07-30-2015 09:42 AM
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Any chance these will be at Indy, or is that just too soon?

Rat Raceway 07-30-2015 02:13 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff Teuton (Post 477077)
I don't want to get into too many details, but the motors are really trick and are done by respected builders. .

So will Mopar not be building the motors and just outsourcing them from the get go? Or was this just for the the first test mules?

Superfan1 07-30-2015 04:28 PM
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Now that Mopar has a supercharged Drag Pak, the FS/XX portion of the Factory Stock Showdown will be even more interesting. This probably is wishful thinking; but, is it possible for a 354 to be at Indy?

Chris Holbrook 07-30-2015 04:48 PM
Re: New Drag Pak Challengers
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff Teuton (Post 477982)
Well, we are back. The cars put on a good show, but the motors were so turned down, we were not sure they would start. They were both about one second under in spite very slow 60' times. And of course the 9000 or so DA don't help. The blown car ran high 60's @ 157 in Detroit and the 426 ran 9 low teens @ 148. Ten degrees timing. The engineers had to hide the computer from us. It was a lot of fun.


Oh ***** I might have too run 12 degrees of timing. LOL All kidding aside I can't wait to see The Blown car in person. Who knows I might have to purchase one of those for my self.

Jeff Teuton 07-30-2015 08:48 PM
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The cars will be in Indy as display only as part of the Mopar show. The 426 is in the book, but there are no plans to run the car at this time, course you never know. Chris, let's do this. I will give you a 354 and you give me a Mustang. I'm not sure if anyone could stand the confusion.

D.Johns 07-31-2015 03:23 PM
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The blower wars are heating up! Nice to see all the manufacturers mixing it up again.

Jeff Teuton 08-17-2015 11:35 PM
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The new Drag Pak cars are in the book. Two blown 354 motors, one cast iron and that motor will be in the Blown Drag Pak cars. It is a BES out of Indy and makes about 1050 HP and has plenty potential not even considering the motor. The 426 is an Arrow Racing Engine and has been tested by Barton, and Kevin Helms has been down the track in both cars. 426 about 900 HP. Drive train is way off for the hard racer not even considering the motor at 10 degrees timing as tested. Hard racers will have first availability on both cars. I am working on a package we will call the Hard Racer Package with drive line changes; trans gearing, converter, shifter, rear axle ratio etc which I will try to have it put in the cars I order for myself and customers who go thru me. Not sure if I can get it done. Kinda need numbers. Right now I have 5 coming. The second 354 motor is an Arrow Racing motor which can be used, but can't be ordered in the car. It is all aluminum and really different specs. Both have 2.9 Whipples. Mopar as one converted to a 2015 model. More as it happens. Want one. Let me know. Mopar wants names and history for the racers, but will take my word for it. Blueprint specs on NHRA Racer.

Eric Merryfield 08-18-2015 10:20 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff Teuton (Post 479528)
The new Drag Pak cars are in the book. Two blown 354 motors, one cast iron and that motor will be in the Blown Drag Pak cars. It is a BES out of Indy and makes about 1050 HP and has plenty potential not even considering the motor. The 426 is an Arrow Racing Engine and has been tested by Barton, and Kevin Helms has been down the track in both cars. 426 about 900 HP. Drive train is way off for the hard racer not even considering the motor at 10 degrees timing as tested. Hard racers will have first availability on both cars. I am working on a package we will call the Hard Racer Package with drive line changes; trans gearing, converter, shifter, rear axle ratio etc which I will try to have it put in the cars I order for myself and customers who go thru me. Not sure if I can get it done. Kinda need numbers. Right now I have 5 coming. The second 354 motor is an Arrow Racing motor which can be used, but can't be ordered in the car. It is all aluminum and really different specs. Both have 2.9 Whipples. Mopar as one converted to a 2015 model. More as it happens. Want one. Let me know. Mopar wants names and history for the racers, but will take my word for it. Blueprint specs on NHRA Racer.
I see them in the Engine specs, but just the 400 and the 426 in the stock car classification guide as of yet......

Sounds like a lot of fun for those that have the resources and time to devote. If mopar really wants to dominate, then reward the "hard racer" original dragpak owners with a 50% discount. Lord knows it will take likely at least that to sort out the cars, especially if the cages have to be reworked, chassis beefed up, shocks changed, etc etc etc.

Eric

Superfan1 08-18-2015 10:59 AM
Re: New Drag Pak Challengers
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Merryfield (Post 479549)
I see them in the Engine specs, but just the 400 and the 426 in the stock car classification guide as of yet......

Sounds like a lot of fun for those that have the resources and time to devote. If mopar really wants to dominate, then reward the "hard racer" original dragpak owners with a 50% discount. Lord knows it will take likely at least that to sort out the cars, especially if the cages have to be reworked, chassis beefed up, shocks changed, etc etc etc.

Eric
Eric, the 354 and the 426 were put in the Stock Car Classification Guide yesterday. I am looking at them as I write this post.

Dwight Southerland 08-18-2015 11:57 AM
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The specs and classification information are also available on
www.classracerinfo.com


Cheers!

denbreeden 08-18-2015 04:26 PM
Re: New Drag Pak Challengers
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff Teuton (Post 479528)
The new Drag Pak cars are in the book. Two blown 354 motors, one cast iron and that motor will be in the Blown Drag Pak cars. It is a BES out of Indy and makes about 1050 HP and has plenty potential not even considering the motor. The 426 is an Arrow Racing Engine and has been tested by Barton, and Kevin Helms has been down the track in both cars. 426 about 900 HP. Drive train is way off for the hard racer not even considering the motor at 10 degrees timing as tested. Hard racers will have first availability on both cars. I am working on a package we will call the Hard Racer Package with drive line changes; trans gearing, converter, shifter, rear axle ratio etc which I will try to have it put in the cars I order for myself and customers who go thru me. Not sure if I can get it done. Kinda need numbers. Right now I have 5 coming. The second 354 motor is an Arrow Racing motor which can be used, but can't be ordered in the car. It is all aluminum and really different specs. Both have 2.9 Whipples. Mopar as one converted to a 2015 model. More as it happens. Want one. Let me know. Mopar wants names and history for the racers, but will take my word for it. Blueprint specs on NHRA Racer.




I assume since you are a Dodge dealer you are taking 2010 Drag Paks in on trade, lol. See you in BG.


Dennis Breeden

Jeff Teuton 08-18-2015 05:08 PM
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You know I am a car dealer and I will trade for a car, truck, bear rug, beer, more beer, or what have you.

Jeff Teuton 08-18-2015 05:27 PM
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Eric, there will be some perks for the guys and girls that race these new cars, but I am not at liberty to say right now. Trust me. Spoken like a true car dealer.

denbreeden 08-18-2015 05:45 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff Teuton (Post 479595)
You know I am a car dealer and I will trade for a car, truck, bear rug, beer, more beer, or what have you.

Let's see, a 2010 Drag Pak, 3 cases of beer, a 2002 Prowler, and a case of wine. Am I half way there, lol?

SSDiv6 08-18-2015 05:49 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denbreeden (Post 479597)
Let's see, a 2010 Drag Pak, 3 cases of beer, a 2002 Prowler, and a case of wine. Am I half way there, lol?
...not enough beer...

D.Johns 08-19-2015 01:36 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff Teuton (Post 479528)
It is a BES out of Indy and makes about 1050 HP and has plenty potential not even considering the motor.
Bischoff? Guilford Indiana…

D.Johns 08-19-2015 01:53 PM
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What's the upper and lower pulley size for the blowers? Didn't see it specified on the 15 COPO or 15 DP.

Why all the differences between the 530/540 iron/aluminum block? Just allowing racers more variety to choose from?

Jay Mingolelli 08-23-2015 08:02 PM
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Will parts be avaiable to build one from scratch. Thank you any info would help.


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