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So if you run a car at at national event registered in I /SA , does that driver have to wear a fire coat and pants? , witnesed a driver win a round with just T shirt and pants on get the win and go onto the next round. Conviently the next round he has it on. NHRA just looked the other way!!!??

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well jim i see two winners in stock first rd. i/sa and i will guess the letters M. F. just a guess

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Larry. Was not a red car...

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I skipped round one. Did the driver in question run against a purple 'Cuda in round 2? I found a photo of a T/SA driver in short sleeves on a qualifying run from Friday. Don't know who that could be...

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Short sleeves are LEGAL in T/SA as well as a few quicker classes
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Nobody likes the list guy or the tattle tale

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Alright y'all caught me! I only did it one time at Bristol but it was like 120 degrees there lol. I'm just kidding of course but couldn't it have been an honest mistake?

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This is an odd post. If the next round the driver had the fire jacket on, wouldn't that mean that NHRA *didn't* look the other way and told him to put it on?

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Maybe he forgot to put it on? Who knows? Who cares?

Anyway, from my point of view, something like that is NHRA's problem, not mine.

If sure that there was no performance advantage by not wearing his jacket.

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http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r...%20AI%20ss.jpg

You mean you have to wear sleeves and coats on the west coast?

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Sure would be a advantage if got run over by a high index race car!

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Ahhhh, memories!

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David, Just curious.
Do you have a low index race car that you race with NHRA?

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I think both rule books, east coast and west coast require you to have all your safety gear on during a run. Also wasn't NHRA founded on safety in the 50's to get racing off the streets. also the rule book is a minimum for safety gear you can always have more then required as in more layer suits. If this is not true than we all should be on street outlaws. Since we don't care about safety rules then what about the rest of the rule book could install illegal parts on your car and move on a qualifying sheet to get on the short side of the ladder and change it back for first round?

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I checked the rules and you are correct. Short sleeves are OK below M/S-M/SA. The driver in question (I/SA) should have been stopped in staging and required to jacket up. It was way up in the 90s on the track the day in question.

Point is, a racer lost to a guy he thinks should have been DQ'd on a technicality. Just let it go. Short sleeves didn't win the race.

EDIT: From the Stock section. My emphasis.

"PROTECTIVE CLOTHING"
"Full-length pants; short- or long-sleeved shirt; closed shoes; and socks. No shorts. No tank tops. No open-toe or open-heel shoes or sandals. Synthetic clothing not recommended. Jacket and pants meeting SFI Spec 3.2A/1 mandatory in AA/S through M/S, AA/SA through M/SA, and in any vehicle running 11.49 or quicker. SFI Spec 3.3/1 gloves mandatory in any vehicle running 9.99 or quicker. See General Regulations 10:10."

Dale

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The point is that any racer should be in full race gear, if required, before he or she races. At Pacific Raceway there is a blue line at the head of staging. The only time a racer can be out of his/her gear, after crossing that line, is if there is a time out on the race track. Oildown, rain or broken race car being removed, etc.


Yes the non use of proper gear didn't change the out come of the race, but ALL racers should conform to the rules or what good is the rule book. Especially for the safety gear/clothing part. I believe NHRA was founded for safe racing for all.

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I agree. I just don't think this should be debated on the Internet where it won't do any good. Jim needs to point it out to Staff who watch the lanes so that it won't happen again. As far as safety goes, I've seen a roadster without a roll bar run at this track.That disturbed me.

Maybe a drivers meeting to bring this up? My Mustang is a bracket car built to GT/MA standards but I put a full cage in it. Double layer jacket, pants, gloves and shoes, too. SA 2010 helmet.

Dale

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Maybe if you were there you would understand, therefore you should just keep your mouth zipped

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No I do not have a low index race car because I am 70 years old , not in the best health and retired from racing.
The last race car I had was a F/SA built by Woodrow Josey and a few motors built by Elisha Boyd back in Mississippi.
Do you have a reason for this question?

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I always felt bad for ole Gerald, getting into his W truck, in La., right after that pants rule came out.

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Mickey always has something to say. LOL.

I understand the need to follow the rules, especially safety.
What is it that you really would like to see as an outcome as a result of you choosing this forum to review this rules violation in public?

I know you were there, and you witnessed this, did you consider notifying an official in the name of safety or to overturn the run or?

Did you consider reminding the competitor in person as a sportsmanlike reminder. I mean, we all can be forgetful.

Did you draft a letter to the div tech director to request that NHRA be more vigilant in its oversight of safety?

Or did you want to rant about someone that beat someone else and try to get everyone on line to fall in line and demand the racer turn back the round points or whatever he gained.

In my opinion, unless you take some real action with NHRA on your part, based upon your first hand observations, nothing will change going forward.

By the way, I don't know any of the parties involved. I would think it reasonable for NHRA to police this. Believe me, if they tossed someone for going past the ready line without this gear on, it would fix it.

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Fire pants aren't required for anything under M/S or M/SA. If he was wearing them in a W/SA car along with a jacket it was by his choice.

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Mickey, go to your room. No dinner for you.

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Lol

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Lol Ed ! reminds me of the soup natzi on seinfeld !!
Hopefully someday you return from "former T/SA"
to "something/ SA or somtthing/S . always enjoy
your "2 cents" worth!!

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Yes I do, as a matter of fact.
NHRA already requires 12.85 Stockers (high 13's @ altitude) to wear a firesuit, along with their mandated roll bar.
Meanwhile, Joe Bracket Bomber needs neither at 11.50, on a car that probably hasn't even been up on jack stands in five years.
Please don't give NHRA any more ideas.We're treated unfairly enough already in this matter.
Thank you.

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When was the last time you entered your low index race car at a major event and how did you do?
Thank You

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Well, we are about the same age....still racing. As far as Mark goes (please note that he does not need my help)........go to drag race central and type in his name...you will see when he raced last.

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Sure looks like Mark has done a great job racing low index race cars.Congrats to Mark!

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Thank you, David

It should be mentioned here that if you don't feel safe being chased in a 14, 15, 16 second car, then by all means put that bar in there, suit up, and pull that 5 way nice and tight.

Of course I don't know how you're gonna turn around much and watch that other car way back there...

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Trying to finish a '65 american wagon. If the money did come along I'd like to run a 290"
in SS GT/MA. Not looking good though. Besides I just hit the 70's. I take it day by day.

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storms the only thing I zip is my pants if you want to at the next race we can see if we can zip my mouth

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Woooooooooooooooo. I smell what your cooking! I don't think lack of fire jacket was why u lost. Tuesday morning qb

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That's right james but I think he could shift faster without it on that jackey aint **** a 32 1 A protects you for 1 whole second about the same time to unzip your pants

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It's a deal....

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James, it was actually a friend that was involved in that round, it's really not a huge deal, my whole point was just wearing the safety gear. But for most of you not knowing the whole situation, I'm pretty most of you would have felt the same. Time to move on...

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LoL going to take a hockey and this baby crib stuff is a reason to go

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I think most class racers would agree with Jim that safety and wearing the required safety gear should be a priority.

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I surely agree everyone, especially Mickey should be wearing above and beyond what is required. I also believe that it is highly possible for someone to forget to put their jacket on in the heat of moment trying to get ready for a run at a national event. I find it hard to believe that NHRA staff would let it go if it had been detected, so I for one would like to know the whole situation to decide for myself.

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Throughout the years, I have have seen it all from racers that are not serious about safety. Seen people that do not tighten up their harness and/or helmet because its uncomfortable. Some believe that fire jackets and pants are overrated for Stock and Super Stock. I have even seen a few driving dragsters that after they go through the lights after winning their round, lift their arm with a fist, meaning, their arms were not strapped.

With the advent of the factory race cars that exceed 150+ miles, even a slower class car driver should have all the protection he can afford in the event of a collision with another car.

Jim has a great point and shows how lenient NHRA must be getting with racers. I think they put more emphasis making sure a people have a restricted pass than checking the racers in the staging lanes.