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IHRA announced a HP adjustment for the 1978 Malibu Wagon with a 327/275 engine.

Now rated at 250 hp in Pure Stock..

Sounds like a great combination.
Is someone lurking around in a 1978 Malibu wagon out there?

Earlier this year IHRA added the 1987-1995 Mustang 302
Rated at 215/213 for Pure Stock.
Lowered it 3 HP for 210 hp.

Think they added the new V6 Mustang earlier this year.
Need to call Mike Baker !

D

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How can a 327 run Pure Stock in a 78 model? Was not available that year.

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Might be a typographic error - the last year the 275 horsepower 327 was available was 1968, and has been rated @ 270 horsepower since 2001!

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Yeah,,,, what he said. I thought only the 305 was available that year.
Danny Durham

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I ran my 95 Mustang 5.0 in I/PS in 2012.
I will look at the sticker on the window but I thought it was @ 210 h.p. and the car min. wt. was 3530 lbs.


Yes, the 2011-2014 Mustang 3.7 V-6 is in the IHRA books. Not sure what it is factored at, but the NHRA # is 260 h.p.

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Danny, 350's in Malibu wagons and El Caminos.
Could be 350/275

http://www.classracerinfo.com/CGPage...78&MAKE=Malibu

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Thanks for the info,,, I didn't realize 350s were available in those vehicles. I was thinking Corvettes, Camaros and trucks. Take care.
Danny Durham

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I think it is 350 175/287 with automatic last time I checked

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Allen, it was 210 for 1994-95....I requested 87-95 be the same

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Good deal.

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Dan where do they announce the HP adjustments, I looked on IHRA but didn't see anything.

Jerry

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Jerry,

It's under "Competition" on the IHRA website - Look for "Class Racing Information" and then "Horsepower Adjustments".

It's a cumulative list, so you have to use the "find" command on your browser to locate your particular combination.

Lew

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Good point...this they meant 68
Need to bring that up.


You can see all the changes opinion Drag Review
Usually near the national records or index.

Dan

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I'm sure there's an interesting story behind this change, Dan.

I think the engine should be the 175 HP "350", which was factored to 275 HP (!) for Stock. Hopefully we'll see more Malibu 'wagon's now! :D

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Thanks guys , I ran a 68 Chevelle wagon 327 smog Mtr back in the seventies in m/sa Jerry

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Bring it back :-)

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Dan I wish I had it to bring back, we also had a couple of Pure Stocker"s Mr Isom built one and I got it and then he built another one for him.I played on the street and he raced his and did well. We raced with I believe his name was Bill Devro he had a real nice Camaro Z28 67 or 68 ?? anyway it was a blast.

Jerry

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I built a 69 low hp 350 Nomad wagon and was very successful locally. Sold it as a roller and wondered who ended up owning it?
I think it went east..... Any one have an idea? Thanks

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I am trying to restore my 1969 Impala.
Frame off, modified, reinforced, new parts and powder coated.
All rust removed. Floor pans, rear quarter.
No time to finish.
Have Budd Rowe engine and lots of new parts..
Tired of working on it.
Bought it from Bob LaSala in 1972.

I like my Pure Stocker.
D

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I don't know why I remembered this, because most of the time I suffer from CRS, but I think you were referring to Bill Drevo, who had a very pretty (and quick) 1st Gen Camaro. :D BTW - Very nice wagon!!

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Lew I think you are right I couldnt remember how to spell his name but I couldnt forget the car, it was fast I wonder if he still has it ? Im partial to wagons we raced a few. Yours is good looking, I have followed yours on the forum.

Jerry

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Got the latest on the Pure Stock Adjustment!

It is for a 1978 Malibu Wagon.
Suppose be a 350/275 hp, not a 327
Now rated at 250 hp.

Dan

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Seems great to race a minimal modified car but...is any actual class racing done or is it all Dial-in? And a Spec Cam for all ? Isnt the factoring issue STILL a big factor? ( not a joke)

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May not be perfect!
But over some 30 plus years has leveled out.
Tweak here and there to keep it balanced happens often.
Why you see HP corrections!
Stock and Super Stock require study.

This is not Bracket Racing..where you can build a mild BB to run 11s.
Shove it in any chassis and race.

S/SS you have to have all the systems up to compete.
That is the science and art running Pure Stock, Stock or Super Stock.

Rule racing where Smokey Yurnick would be proud of us.

Dan

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Dan, My question was are there meets with Heads up Class racing? or are all the races Dial in?
Knowing Smokey used a lot of "questionable" methods is an interesting comment.

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Dick:
There are a few C.I.C. races for class cars ( heads up off their respective indexes)
2 that I know of so far this year.

I ran my first CIC race at the Class Nationals last month. That was fun.

Also, and I did not go to it, but there was one in Bella Rose, LA earlier this year.

It was not an official NHRA race,( no h.p. hits) but it did run in conjunction with the NHRA event that weekend.

I have never heard of an IHRA CIC race tho.

Maybe Dan can answer, but I believe if the same class Pure Stocker pairs up with another same class car during eliminations, then it becomes a heads up run ??

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IHRA heads up, Ohio Valley heads up,
Mike Taylor 3601

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Pure Stock is no different than any other class.
Interesting there are a lot of F, G and H cars out there.
Sooner or later there will be a heads up race..!

Then bragging rights will come forth !! :D

My goal is to take on Mike heads up in F/PS
Getting closer though not quite there.

Mike bet you a dollar I beat you :p

Dan

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I like pure stock but won't be running it soon,Ky doesn't have any races close in IHRA,I have alot of racing close to home as a stocker,but going to keep my pure stock engine and trans,unless someone wants to buy it.
I will never build a car again that doesn't fit NHRA and IHRA.
My advice to anyone thinking of building a pure stock car,build a late model car they can go quick and still be able to street drive them. I don't care anything about being able to street drive my car,but when originally built it was the plan to be able to drive to track and race it,but had to lose the street-ability to be able to catch up with Bobby Butler's Mustang and then Don? Maroon mustang from around Cincy and McGee's chevelle wagon.

Dan,
a LT-1 against a carbed,smog motor 305,why you want to pick on me.
Mike Taylor 3601

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I like the whole Pure Stock vibe, but just like Mike, I will have to move my Pure Stocker up to an NHRA car because we lost our IHRA race in KY.

Plus, Beech Bend does not allow IHRA cars in their combo races. ( unless it has an NHRA equivalent )

There goes my streetability and being able to run on pump gas :(

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MIKE:
Well I figure a Plus Size LT1 Car vs a Svelte Wheel Standing 305 Malibu is a good match.:)

However understand your point about Pure Stock.
Sad that NHRA will not allow the Class.

Guess they figure they have enough cars coming to their events.
Going to IHRA races more people are building Pure Stockers to get back into the game.
A hand full every year but it adds up.

Think the key is to standardizing on a Spring Rule.
Much Like PureStockDrags does !

All about the good KISS Principle: Keep it sweet and simple..
To keep the Cam Technical Inspection simple much like regular Stock.

Full Stock is any Spring, any duration, Lift the limiting factor.
Pure Stock rules could be changed limit Spring Pressure and Lift.
Would ease Technical Tear Down Inspection like regular Stock.

Another idea is to incorporate Pure Stock into Regular Stock.
Add them to the ranks of E to T Stock.

An objective of Pure Stock is to incent racers to enter their Street Cars and develop them up the supply chain.

What do you think?
I will write NHRA but want to hear your feedback.

Dan

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How many pure stockers exist? you cant fill a12 month calander,
Stop patting yourself Dan pure stock is NEVER gonna happen
Please this is Indy week get a clue..They are not class cars

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James it already has....!! Without your help...!
IHRA says they are Class Cars .

Know of two new Pure Stocker are being built as we speak.
Duster and a Firebird..
Got quite a following.. go see Pure Stock Photo Gallery.

Todays IHRA Pure Stockers are the same Stock Eliminator rules from 1974 to 1988 or so.

After that rules changed to allow any Spring and duration.
Lift being the only limitation.
That was to ease the Tech Tear Downs inspections.

James do you also have it out for the Crate Motor dudes too ?

Dan

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NHRA tried Pure Stock years ago. Really Pure Stock, cheaper than what you are trying to do. Had low car counts similar to what you have, although not as low. Dropped them due to lack of interest. Don't hold your breath until they try it again. IHRA is more desperate for cars.

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There would be a lot more if both bodies accepted them.
Plus they did not have a advocate pushing it !
D

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I normally just read this forum, but feel like I have to jump in and agree with Dan here.

I've been wanting to make a jump into stock for along time, was always my favorite class since I was a kid. Cost has always been a limiting factor of course. Been sticking to brackets and SST.

That being said, I've been doing alot of reading up on Pure Stock and think its the perfect entry point. I have been seriously considering building a pure stocker for some time.

Only problem is the number of races near me. More NHRA here than IHRA. It doesn't make much sense to put the money in another car for the amount of travel and lack of races at the moment.

However, if nhra picked it up it would be a no brainer! It would definitely be a tipping point for me.

Also, it would be cool to jump in with a pure stocker, then when budget allows, crank the same car up to a full traditional stocker on down the road

Just my .02.... :cool:

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Actually, Ed, IHRA's Pure Stock is much more like NHRA's second edition Stock Eliminator that started in 1972.

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FWIW
Today I am writing NHRA to ask them to add Pure Stock to Stock Eliminator.

Hope they return my email.

Dan

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That sounds good Dan, not many IHRA tracks around here either
Jerry