66 Fairlane Wagon Combination Suggestions
 

Have a good friend who has the bug to build a stocker out of a 66 Fairlane Wagon and I need some guidance to pass along on what combination would be the most advantageous. I don't know anything about Fords and need some help.. What would you guys build and why if you were in his shoes?

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A 67 Fairlane wagon.

www.classracerinfo.com

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Saw a 66 Fairlane wagon sell on Mecum Auctions yesterday for $66,000...

Anyway, there are three versions of the wagon as far as I can tell. Fairlane, Deluxe and Squire. All are similar but weight and trim might be a bit different. For class racing you need to match that.

The most competitive (on paper) wagon is the one with the 390/265hp engine. It has a factor of 13.52 to 13.59 depending on model and falls into L/S or L/SA. The range for that class is 13.50 to 13.99 so it sits on the top.

Go to the NHRA Stock Car Classification Guide for model weight info and find the Engine Blueprint Sheet on the same site for Ford 1966. Click NHRA Competition at the header of this site for the links.

Dale

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Get ahold of Chris Whitney and see about the 427 4-speed combo as a '67. That wagon ran B/S and was stupid fast. Plus it looked like a blast to drive!

Video here: https://youtu.be/WVkQJcDgukk

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How does he turn a 66 into a 67? Flip it on CL?

Dale

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1966 390/265 has a 2-bl carb and would not be competitive against the 4-bl cars in L class. Just because any car falls at the top of a class does not necessarily make it a good combo especially since weight can be adjusted today.

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True. That leaves the 390/315 with a 4BBL. It's a natural 11.41 to 11.47 in G/S or /SA. Shipping weight is between 3641 and 3660 depending on model.

You can run a 427/425 in the 66 wagon in Stock. The factor is 9.04 or 8.91.

And a 427/415, too. 9.43 for that combo. Looks like this 427 runs Shelby or Edelbrock heads.

The 427/425 would be C or B stock and the 427/415 would be C stock, too.

This is from the Stock Car Guide, not Dwight's link.

Dale

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The 390 4 barrel is the only way to go. Unless budget is not a factor.

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That's for the smart Ford guys to figure out.

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66 390 has a Autolite carb, iron intake, .430 something cam and 11.8 blueprinted compression.
67 390 has a Holley carb, aluminum intake, .480-.490 something cam and 12.8 blueprinted compression.
Both are rated at 319 HP. 67 390 is the way to go.

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I looked up both the 66 and 67 Fairlane on OldRide.com for specs and they seem about the same. Wheel base and overall length of wagons are the same. Here is a quote from the text of the 67 article:

"For 1967 the Fairlane was the base trim level model. It continued to use the same body as the one introduced to 1966 but with minor trim changes. The new grille was an aluminum single stamping instead of the two grilles used in the previous model and the taillights were divided horizontaly by teh back-up lights, instead of vertically like the 1966 Fairlane. You could get the Fairlane with a 410-hp or a 425-hp (dual Holley four-barrel carburetors) 427 cu. in. V-8."

Looks like with some minor trim changes, that 66 could become a 67 and use that previously mentioned 390 with the Holley 4BBL. I think it's rated at 320 HP.

That Holley is List 3793 for the "A". According to the Quick Fuel catalogue, the SSR 585 VS is a legal replacement for it.

Edit: My 67 Ford NHRA Engine Blueprint file says that 390 is rated at 320 HP with 10.5 compression. The Holley carb is C7OF A,B,C or D
Dale

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Billy's right. (cough, cough, gag)

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Dwight, you should get that cough checked out!!

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had a 66 fairlane GT convert. in high school, had an oem holley on it...

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Ya know, the thing to do here, except for the problem of the NHRA not working this way anymore, would be to get the 66 motor de-factored to about 290 HP. It has more in common with the 63-65 390 which is de-factored to 280 HP from 300 than it does with the 67 390 at 319.
Dwight, a couple of months ago, we talked about asking NHRA to go over the non-competitive 60s and 70s combos and giving them some help. I think that this combo should qualify for that help.

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The Hall's (I believe) ran a Wagon in G/SA several years ago. Apparently the combo was not competitive even though RJ's Sedan was one bad stocker. Maybe one of the Hall's or RJ could comment on why it wasn't a good choice.

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Wheelbase is shorter then a coupe, they are built on a Falcon chassis with Fairlane sheet metal. We ran one in E/S in the very early 70s in Div 2 with a 427/410 until I put it on the roof on 7 inch tires.

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Just out of curiousity, is the "fresh air hood" (factory scoop) NHRA legal on the 66-67 Fairlane wagon?

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Yes, with the 427.

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Change the grille, headlight bezels and tailights

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.....and dash cluster, dash pad, steering column and wheel, emblems, side trim (depending on model), hood (if its GT/GTA...etc
There were also 2 versions of the 390 4 barrel engines available in 66-67 Fairlanes, the "Z" code engine had the Autolite carb and smaller cam, the "S" code engine was used in the GT/GTA models, came with the Holley carb and bigger cam.

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Too bad a 289 2V doesn't stand a chance in any class, quite a few of them still around.

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REMEMBER. They, NHRA, are not worried about the boosters in ANY carb in stock class! The Autolite carb has bolt in booster assemblies. You can find a multitude of booster assemblies for these carbs in any junk yard. The reason that NHRA allows this is because they let the injected cars use any injectors for fuel flow. A friend, former national record holder, pushed for this change. When we were in tear down they never measured the boosters. NHRA are only worried about the venture i.d. and the throttle plate size. The only booster not allowed is the tube type ,aka, shear booster.

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427/410 with a stick! WAY WAY COOL

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Rory do you really think NHRA would look that close to see if the dash and steering column was changed along with side trim?? I would remove all side trim. RJ Sledge ran without side trim until I sent him the trim from my Fairlane.

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Is this for real?

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I agree with Rusty, with everything else that they letting get by I don't think they want to hassle with things like that. You can change factory seats with Kirkeys, different steering wheels, interior can be run with or without back seats, change year models with a pen etc. Stock Eliminator has progressed(?) to the point of no return and for several reasons. We are racing 50+ year old vehicles in a lot of cases and parts and supplies are not available at any cost.

I don't necessarily agree with it, but that's the way it is.....

Rusty, thanks again for your help, your SS car looks great and I hope it runs as good as it looks.

I need some more of that type trim for my other 67 2d Sedan if you have or know of any I would appreciate a heads up. I have a lot of 66/67 pieces if you need any.

Thanks

RJ

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Well, the question was how do you convert a 66 Fairlane to a 67, years ago, yes they would look that closely, but in recent years, its almost anything goes I`m afraid. Personally, I liked it better before all the NHRA "accepted" aftermarket aluminum heads, carbs, allowed lightweight components masquarading as "safety related", and "special" new cars that were never available to the public with the engines, transmissions, or rearends they can run in a so called STOCK class. Years ago, my buddys 69 Camaro SS/HA got bounced in Tech for having a SS emblem between the tail lights, but he had the addacity to to show up without the SS console. Now you can run a new Dodge Challanger with a Chevy Powerglide 2 speed, and a Ford 9" rearend and a V10 engine in Stock. My, how times have changed.

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sounds like the 67 390/315 is the consensus combination, im really excited for him to get started and being a chevy guy I must say I don't think he could have picked a cooler Ford.

Next question, who needs to do his heads and intake?

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T green I have a lot of spare parts if your interested send me an email and I'll try and help you

Chris Whitney

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I have never saw a wagon I didn't like!!! I remember a baby blue fairlane wagon with a 427 stick at Bristol 20 or so years ago, it made my mouth water. Mom had one just like it that I got to drive when I was 16 years old. Oh I forgot to mention Mom's was a 289 2bbl. C4 with a Ford add on air conditioner lol. I remember talking to the owner of the car and he said it ate axles like popcorn lol.

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Doug dugle....we met him at Ohio valley back in the late 90s

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When it comes to Ford Wagons, one of my fave's was the '56 with the supercharger that ran in I/SA. It held the record for awhile. The only set back was it blew head gaskets regularly. With modern head gaskets it would have been a killer.
Another favorite of mine was the 60's Falcon wagon ran by Dudley Arceaux? out of south Louisiana. One of the nicest cars you would find, however it was before Ford started playing the HP game and it was't as competitive as it was nice. That was a shame because Dudley had put a lot of work into it.

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I seem to remember a Fairlane wagon back in the 60s or early 70s that was killer fast.The guys name was Richard Charnabou. Don't quote on the spelling of the last name. If I recall correctly it was a stick 427. Maybe someone remembers the car.




Gary Slaton

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Not the 315hp, use the 320hp version. It is bogus in a wagon since it was only used on Fairlane GT and GTA hardtops and convertibles but is allowed so take advantage of that.
All other models has the 315hp "TBird" motor as top option. I used to have a Z code 390, 4 speed Ranchero but it was not listed in the NHRA guide.

The 315hp doesn't get to use things like the PI aluminum intake which makes a huge difference on the 320hp engine.

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Hi- Richard Charbonneau "67 wagon 410 horse 427 that pulled wheelies with the dinky 7 inch tires; that car was a killer