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Looks like they do not want sportsman racers to attend, except for Indy?!?

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what a joke, new blood in glendora= same slap in the face for sportsman!! they aint gonna change

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No Comp at Englishtown? Bwaa haaaah aaahaaaa. But hey you can be enlightened on the fine points by Tony Pedregon.

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Ed, If you read the whole release it shows classes aren't finalized yet, thus the NA.

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Hard to believe only 65 stockers at E Town...WOW, there will be quite a few of disappointed D 1 guys and gals, ....With theses quotas grade points will really become more important. You know, NHRA is one of the few businesses that just flat out .......turns $$$$$$ away. .??

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Forcing people to go to more divisionals. Probably trying to make it where you need 3 or 4 points to get in.

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I'm actually not surprised, with space at a premium people continue to buy 100' rigs to haul one car.

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Good luck getting grade points if you live in south Florida. The closest NHRA track from my house is 310 miles, the next is 550 miles. NHRA has lost Florida, I'm surprised that they will still have a points race at Gainesville. Why go if you can't race at any national events.

Casey Miles
248H Stock

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You know, there was a time when Division 2 was for all intents and purposes the Florida division. All the races except the Bristol national event were in Florida or Georgia, and all Atlanta or south of there. If you lived in Tennessee, North Carolina, or South Carolina, you were pretty much screwed. Not only did you live in Division 2, you lived in a state that did not have a Division 2 event, and you had to spend most of the month of March in Florida in order to compete in your home division.

It seems all they (NHRA) know how to do is go from one extreme to the other. I'll never understand it.

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As I read it, the "n/a" indicates that there is no longer a quota established or dictated for those categories.

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If My Math Is Correct 55 car fields also are only 5 round races with a bye round 1 and at 7 cars Math is not my strongest point :)

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Where do they come up with these numbers? Why not 64 ?

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I fully agree with that.

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Agreed. 64 would seem to make the most sense for both stock and superstock.

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Thats funny i wonder if they will ever say anything about a mototcycle coming in on a 18 wheeler

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Provisional entries, World Champs, event winners, etc can enter after filled quota, so there's no telling what the final count will be, under the current system.
How about the Fall Vegas race? Over 100 cars in stock ,last two years. Filled with 2 GP's

??? Where did they get these quotas?

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Don't forget about the 2cd 18 wheeler for support equipment!

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I wonder when people will stop worrying about the rigs other people haul their race car to the track in. You'd think we had no real problems to concern ourselves with.

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Everybody gets a square

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Alan, space IS a problem........... but just for the Sportsmen. We've got to conserve so that the Toyota display can have their ferris wheel! In Vegas, there was one Sportsman entry carrying 4 cars who was initially told that they had to make due with one spot. It got fixed but, 4 cars/entries, one spot? Really?

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They're not forcing jack. I was a satisfied customer for a couple of years, and then they started laying straws on the camel's back at a surprisingly rapid rate. I'll spend my money elsewhere. Big money bracket racing provides live video coverage, and you can often get six shots at $5,000, $10,000, or even $20,000 in three days. The various regional S/SS Series provide a great bang for the buck and a 1-day or 2-day format for those "off" weekends.


6-round races. And you get to blow 4-5 days of your life for the privilege for 1 shot. For those that are chasing their first Wally, or just like the tailgating atmosphere, I get it. That's just not for me anymore.

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I see that Topeka is not on the 2016 schedule. I wonder if will or could be added later?

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Just to be clear, I could personally care less who has what or how big their toterhome is. My point was that it could be the reason for reduced quotas.

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For the last i'd say 6 years i've been racing the Englishtown Nationals, the car count for Stock was always around 80-90 cars. A lot of that had to due with our S/SS Rep. to get
NHRA to add on more entries. (Thank You Kent Hanley).

They never filled up S/G or S/C so they added more entries for Stock & Always got 10-20 more cars to enter.
Englishtown uses both sides of the track for Pit Space, & i do believe theres enough room for us

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NHRA is an association of racers. Entertainment supportedby us, the membership. The quotas may need to be up or down, whatever. The reasons for the quotas and the intended goal should be public. Racers have some good ideas. If we knew what they were shooting for we could help. This isn't a matter of national security.

I think the lack of transparency reveals insecurity at the top. If the fear is the low Divison numbers, help the local tracks make the Divisionals a good deal for racers and tracks. Don't try to herd us there.

Right now, NHRA is competing with the many small associations running local races and offering much more value. If NHRA did a better job of serving the members, there would be no way a small association could compete with their series. Unfortunately, NHRA has become too top heavy and detached to realize this. It is kind of a role reversal. The small associations are made up of racers that out their blood sweat and tears in to the sport they love. Kind of like the original charter that made up NHRA.
Now, I know there are many many NHRA employees and officials that love the sport and support the common cause. I have to question if the upper a management has the experience to even understand the need for passion, for love of the sport. I fear to them, it is just a job. The sad part, is that they are the decision makers.
They have SRAC and other means to communicate with racers, but I don't think they take heed of the racer input. Coming to INDY and milling around with us isn't enough.
They need more input from local tracks and racers to help guide them. They need to ask their own people that DO interact with racers. If this is being done, great, but it is a big secret to the membership if it is.
I could see the car quota being lowered to compress the timeline. I doubt if they are doing this because of the toterhomes and stackers. If they were that aware, they would probably impose an additional fee for them.

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Very good post on all accounts and I do agree that time constraints could be an issue but I wouldn't dismiss the theory about size of rigs either. I'm one of those late arrivers and twice this year there was not room for me to park with everyone else. At Bristol they had me park by the round track and Charlotte I had to park on the opposite side.

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They are just making room for the insurgence of Pro-Stocks, what with the new rules and all. Everybody will want one!
;)

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With the loss of revenue due to less cars on the property look for entry fees to increase in 2016. Remember, you heard it here first.

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As I rarely go to any except Norwalks national I'm not sure as to the parking arrangements. But at Norwalk you park in a designated spot under the eye of an official. Been pretty tight a few times but don't really need a quarter acre to race my car....Though I've witnessed a few that feel they do. The "Marking of ones territory" I'll leave to my dog and just do the best I can in the space I'm given.

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It's pretty much the same everywhere I've been also although the officials tend to be a little more relaxed with the space when they are getting close to getting everyone in. First race at Charlotte this year quite a few had to be parked on the opposite side but the second race there was only a couple of us that had to. The Bristol race they had them stacked on like cord wood and there still wasn't enough room even though they were quite short of meeting the set quotas in most classes.

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from what I understand NHRA charges a flat fee for an event. so the money is lost for the track, not NHRA.

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I can't put into words the way NHRA does business, they push away car counts when most tracks would beg to get the participation from racers. Their batting average is also terrible towards tracks that used to be in their fold. As a business, I don't understand how NHRA stays afloat paying big salaries to a limited few and nothing in caparison to purses for the racers that race NHRA. You would think that NHRA would have an open invitation to any race for any racer who wants to go. The excuse of limited parking is a ploy is to keep everyone that it is "special" to be able to go to national events. Sort of Harley Davidson when they only make a certain amount of motorcycles a year they were "special", not that way anymore.
I went to the Foot Brake challenge in Bristol, the car count wasn't the same as a NHRA national event. But the promoters had cold water everyday for the racers and a thank you BBQ for the racers also. Prizes for best losing packages were a part of the race along with smiles The biggest part of it was that the entry fee matched the purse, not the same as NHRA's way of thinking.
I will still race the NHRA races when they allow me.

Casey Miles
248H Stock

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* Subject to change! I'm sure it will.

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Very true, they can increase the quota if it looks doable from a pit space perspective and they've done it more times than I can count. Since sportsman racers are their cash cow this may simply be a tactic for supporting the tracks hosting divisionals and opens since it may encourage folks to build up the grade points.

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I'm glad nobody complained about why the Mile High Nationals is only allowing 45 stockers, and 45 Super Stockers there this year, because all they have to do is look at last years final qualifying lists to see that in stock there was only 34 vehicles listed in that category....of which "8" of those racers were from outside D5!!!! Super Stock was much worse as only 16 racers filled that field, and "2" of them were non-D5 racers!!!! With stats like those, I'm surprised NHRA hasn't reduced the Stock and Super Stock Field sizes down to 35 each!

So far for this years race there's only "3" Super Stockers, and "4" (including me) Stockers entered into the field (Grade 4 racers could enter as of yesterday). It's going to be interesting to see just how many more enter both categories (especially since non of us entered thus-far are D5 area racers)!!?? :o