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Dan Fahey 12-30-2015 12:07 PM

WaterWetter Products
 
Do these water wetter products work?
Or is it hype?

Dan

FireSale 12-30-2015 12:56 PM

Re: WaterWetter Products
 
I can't tell you in terms of degrees, but I know how these things work so I'll do that.

I have a degree in Photography from the film days and we used a product called PhotoFlow - a "water wetter" - when developing film. It breaks down the surface tension of water used for the final rinse of film and causes it to sheet off without sticking to the emulsion and leaving spots. In an automotive application it would increase the slick flow of fluid through the engine and prevent it from clinging to surfaces. By not clinging, it should increase it's ability to carry off heat.

Disclaimer: I use the stuff. I put zinc additive in my regular oil, too.

Dale

stage1scott 12-30-2015 01:12 PM

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on a couple of my higher compression Buick 455s (years ago) Water Wetter was good for a solid 10 degrees decrease in summer driving temps in SoCal, as seen on a mechanical temp gauge.

Jim Kaekel 12-30-2015 03:59 PM

Re: WaterWetter Products
 
Years ago when I towed with a Ford F250, it helped it to run a little bit cooler while pulling, probably 5-10 degrees.

Dan Fahey 12-30-2015 04:06 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by FireSale (Post 491766)
I can't tell you in terms of degrees, but I know how these things work so I'll do that.

I have a degree in Photography from the film days and we used a product called PhotoFlow - a "water wetter" - when developing film. It breaks down the surface tension of water used for the final rinse of film and causes it to sheet off without sticking to the emulsion and leaving spots. In an automotive application it would increase the slick flow of fluid through the engine and prevent it from clinging to surfaces. By not clinging, it should increase it's ability to carry off heat.

Disclaimer: I use the stuff. I put zinc additive in my regular oil, too.

Dale

WOW I remember that too.
Use to work in the Physics Department in College.
Took many B&W and Color Photos and Developed them.
Sometimes wrote reports detailing findings.

Now an art for old school Photographers and Restorers.

D

FireSale 12-30-2015 05:40 PM

Re: WaterWetter Products
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan Fahey (Post 491781)
WOW I remember that too.
Use to work in the Physics Department in College.
Took many B&W and Color Photos and Developed them.
Sometimes wrote reports detailing findings.

Now an art for old school Photographers and Restorers.

D

I always thought that if you scratched a hot rodder you'd find a scientist or engineer.

Dale

Greenlight 12-30-2015 06:13 PM

Re: WaterWetter Products
 
This seems like an unbiased test:

http://www.superstreetonline.com/how...tem-additives/


I know several guys that SCCA race that have nothing but good things to say about it, unless someone blows and engine and it leaks on the track. Apparently, the silicon in it is bad for traction. Who would have guessed?

Eman 12-30-2015 06:17 PM

Re: WaterWetter Products
 
I use the Lucas coolant additive with bottled drinking water. I bracket race so it's a once a year deal. If I was class racing and dropping the water to cool the block I wouldn't bother with anything more than tap water.

Dan Fahey 12-30-2015 06:39 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Eman (Post 491795)
I use the Lucas coolant additive with bottled drinking water. I bracket race so it's a once a year deal. If I was class racing and dropping the water to cool the block I wouldn't bother with anything more than tap water.

Most Spring Bottle water has more sediment in it than Tap Water.
Use to do water test and experiments with a centrifuge.

FWIW at one time the best tasting water on the East Coast was NYC Water.
Big surprise not sure what it is today but usually on top.
Chateau de Potomac came close to best tasting tap water in USA.

Have seen distilled water being sold.
Need to learn where I found it.

D

bob shirley 12-30-2015 07:29 PM

Re: WaterWetter Products
 
props for water wetter, have been using it for years in four cars, it works

FireSale 12-31-2015 03:37 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan Fahey (Post 491796)
Most Spring Bottle water has more sediment in it than Tap Water.
Use to do water test and experiments with a centrifuge.

FWIW at one time the best tasting water on the East Coast was NYC Water.
Big surprise not sure what it is today but usually on top.
Chateau de Potomac came close to best tasting tap water in USA.

Have seen distilled water being sold.
Need to learn where I found it.

D

Distilled water is available in most grocery stores in gallon jugs. It's used in stuff like steam irons. Read the label, though. It on the shelf with drinking water.

Dale

V M Kauffman 12-31-2015 08:09 AM

Re: WaterWetter Products
 
Does it work? Very well. I was first introduced to it in 1971 by my next door neighbor who was the local fire chief but he was also the fire chief at a Mobil Oil Refinery he gave me a lesion on it. According to him it was developed or found its way to Fire Departments. It was used in water tankers where water was in short supply. Mobil used to buy it 55 gal drums. According to him it is a big help in putting out fires. I have used it over the years and works great for cooling BUT if you have a coolant leak or a
casting leak it will find the leak!


Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan Fahey (Post 491762)
Do these water wetter products work?
Or is it hype?

Dan


brian schuetta 12-31-2015 06:35 PM

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Just remember the purer the water is the more aggressive it is. Distiller water should be treated with something to inhibit corrosion in the cooling system, I think water wetter might do that if I remember.

Eman 01-01-2016 12:11 PM

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If you read the instructions on the Lucas Coolant Additive it says do not use distilled water. I called them and also did some research which is why I use filtered drinking water, not spring water.
I was having a rust issue every year. I was using distilled water and tried every additive from water pump lube to Water Wetter and combinations of them. Still had rust every year when I drained to put antifreeze in for the winter. When I purchased the Lucas I was all set to use distilled water until I read the instructions. Used filtered drinking water and for the past 2 years no rust at all. This is with an iron headed SBC.
Your results may vary and many swear distilled is the only way to go, but I know what works for me.

Mike Taylor 3601 01-01-2016 01:32 PM

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I was once told that water wetter type additives didn't let the heat transfer to the water,so water was cooler but the engine casting itself were hotter, is there any truth to that?
Mike Taylor 3601

Dan Fahey 01-01-2016 02:05 PM

Re: WaterWetter Products
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by V M Kauffman (Post 491825)
Does it work? Very well. I was first introduced to it in 1971 by my next door neighbor who was the local fire chief but he was also the fire chief at a Mobil Oil Refinery he gave me a lesion on it. According to him it was developed or found its way to Fire Departments. It was used in water tankers where water was in short supply. Mobil used to buy it 55 gal drums. According to him it is a big help in putting out fires. I have used it over the years and works great for cooling BUT if you have a coolant leak or a
casting leak it will find the leak!

Yes I remember this !
WaterWetter is basically like a soap.
Changes behavior of water allowing it to break down oils making the water spread more to clean the surface.
They have a foam version of this at military and civilian airports.
D

FireSale 01-01-2016 02:22 PM

Re: WaterWetter Products
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Taylor 3601 (Post 491938)
I was once told that water wetter type additives didn't let the heat transfer to the water,so water was cooler but the engine casting itself were hotter, is there any truth to that?
Mike Taylor 3601

I doubt that. If water wetter formed a molecular film that effectively insulated hot metal you wouldn't find it on the auto parts shelf for a couple of bucks...

Dale

1320racer 01-01-2016 08:37 PM

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tried it in several vehicles since the late 70s and over 3 decades. In street cars, street/strip cars and race cars, with 50/50 anti freeze and with straight water. Never saw a reduction in operating temperture in any of them. I'm long over donating my $ to redline. Today, my race cars run straight water and my passenger vehicles a 50/50 mix of antifreeze and water. None have have waterwetter in the cooling system.

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/200...%C2%AE-review/

SSGN 01-04-2016 12:13 PM

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I have often wondered about the increased cooling of the product but to be honest I am more concerned about its ability to help with rust and corrosion. I don't like to run antifreeze in my street cars at the track for obvious reasons and wanted a product to help combat corrosion and that I could leave in all summer. Anybody have any thoughts or experience on this?

Dan Fahey 01-04-2016 01:52 PM

Re: WaterWetter Products
 
Interesting comments...
One of the comments mentioned if you are using a Thermostat.
The temperature will modulate to the thermostats rating.
Which is logical.

I towed with my Caprice wagon up and down the Appalachia Mountains with no overheating issues without the Water-Wetter product.

Pull about 6000 plus lbs.
Car, trailer, racing stuff with a 4600lb Caprice Wagon in the heat.
Wagon Loaded, full tank and me is 4800 lbs.

Engine will ping pushing 70mph up the long sustained hills.
Backing down to 65mph was fine.
Figure some mid octane would be helpful.

Been suggested to flush the Coolant system thoroughly.
If Anti Freeze is clean does it really need to be changed every 2 years or 25,000 miles?

Dan


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