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As one of the people on the outside looking in (only 3 grade points) I have been watching the entry list hoping for a cancellation. Watching the list go from 70-75 I guess I need a little help understanding the process. Can someone tell me who the last 5 entries were? I guess 5 former champions could have entered but I need a little help knowing who they are?

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A racer that finished in top10 in 2015 can also register after the quota is met.

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Makes it kind of hard to finish in the top ten if you can't even enter!

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Past event champion can also use a provisional entry.

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Its actually very simple
here are some options if you don't want to be on the outside looking in for national events.
The first one is the most hardest of them all be a former world champ

Second have a single digit number Or a 10

Third win a div championship earning you a gold card for the up coming season

And lastly if the first three fail run 5-6 points meets per season.
If you do one of these four things each year you my friend will not have any problems entering for any national events.

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Might help some if provisionals enter on the Monday before the race.

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David Rampy told me one time that he tries to wait to enter so that others can get in. Not sure just how many others do that though.

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Well said Charlie !

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Tony I think most racers that have silver or gold cards wait until after the event has filled before they enter. The bigger question is how dose Vic cagnazzi enter a event like Gainesville after it has reached it's quota.
He's not a past world camp
He did not finsh top ten last year
He's does not have a gold card
He's not currently running or owning a pro team

That's the question guys with 3-2 grade points should be asking. Why is this guy allowed to enter after the event was full. I believe Vic only had 3 grade points.

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Victor is a past World Champion owner, that's how.

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Who was that?

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Charley,

Before you slam Victor, you should do some research. Victor won two Pro Stock World Championships as an owner, owner points due count.

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Charlie, Went to my first NHRA points race in 1974. Ran Super Stock for about 6 years in Div 4. Quit for a few years then built Stock Eliminator car that we still race today now in Div 2. Over the years I probably averaged 4 National events and 4-5 points races each year. I was scheduled to run two more points races(Bowling Green & Reynolds) last year but ended up at home because of a family emergency. Last year it there were openings in Gainesville & Indy that you could have entered with two grade points. Guess I was just surprised that it took so many to get in this year. I'm happy for the people who got in but just think that maybe the quota system needs a little revamping. Good luck to everyone at Gainesville. Mike McMahan 2543 H/SA

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Kenny that's the biggest line of ***** I have heard in a long time. So what your telling me is that if I were to win a world championship and put my dad as a owner then he could enter at any time?

Kenny I just want everyone to play by the same rules. Seeing how you are a expert on owner points how long do they last?

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Yes, your dad would be able to enter, but not you. Either the driver or the owner can enter, not both. The rule has been like that for as long as I can remember. He is a Champion, so it last forever.

I think its fine, the owner pays the bills just like you and me.

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So Kenny what happens when the driver and owner both part ways. And they both want to enter the same race.

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They have to work it out, only one can enter.

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I was told owner points were only good for one year. The reason for this was if there was a driver change from one year to the next then teams would not be affected. I fail to see how being a owner of a world championship pro stock team over 5 years ago give you a free pass over other racers that actually run the class and follow the rules.

And Kenny Vic is not a champion his driver was

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Charley,

I'm just telling you what the rule is as I know it. If this is such an issue with you, contact NHRA. You wondered why he got in, I gave you my reason, take for what its worth.

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Thanks Kenny you are a big help like always.
There's no need to get worked up Kenny. A few of us just wanted to know.

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I'm not worked up at all, I'm just trying to help out the uninformed.

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So is Dave in top fuel..West coast rules? Its who you no.. not what you no!

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I don't see Jeg on the sportsman list. Pro's don't use a point system to get in, grading points pertain to sportsman only. It may be a gray area, but I think if this is an issue for anyone, contacting NHRA would be the best way to clarify the rule.

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And if he were, he is also a former World Champion in the sportsman ranks. I'm not certain if he could only use that to enter Super Gas, or if it would apply to any category.

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Why are there quotas at all? Let everyone race that wants too. It isn't like 100 cars are going to show up in each category. Nhra is about money so let them in. Just my 1 cent I haven't raced in a year in a half, so my opinion isn't worth much.

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Jegs resume has championships on multiple lines.

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True that they like our money. If they did that the races wouldn't end till Monday.

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Just one more quick question Ken
So does that mean that Rodger Cook which owns the stocker that former world camp Sal Biondo has driven over the past three season can enter when ever Sal does not race?

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Of course not, the Cooks were never involved with any championships that Sal has won. They would have had to be listed as the owners when Sal won the championship.

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You guys better thank your lucky stars that the Force girls aren't interested in running any Sportsman categories.

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So I guess past world champ owners like
Buddy martin PS, Alan Johnson TF ,Roy Johnson PS
Richard Freeman PS and Vic Cagnazzi PS,

Those guys can enter for Gainesville any time they want but the rest of you that play by the rules and collect those valuable NHRA grading points your on the outside looking in.

That's a good system. Iam glad our new leader at NHRA first job was cutting entries for national events(only for the sportsman classes). Nothing like helping the sportsman racer. Can't wait for that big meeting at the gators he's going to have with all the racers.

I forgot his second job was adding oil down fines for all the sportsman class.

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With TF & FC barely able to fill a 16 car field there should be plenty of time to finish a race. The extra S/SS cars would only be about as much run time as 2 more pairs of
fuel cars. I think they should allow in the extra sportsman cars for their entry money and limit the fuel cars because the 17+ qualifiers are the leakers that slow down the show.

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He could enter using Sal's grade points if Sal was not entered in the same class. Let's say Sal has 4 grade points, Mr Cook could enter when it opened at 4.

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Damn guys. Didn't mean to start all of this. Just thought it was a little sad that only 4 cars from Florida could get into the Gators.

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So if owners points count, I can use my 8 and Kevins 92 1/2 points and get in another car in my sons name. He only got 4 points. Let's see; 8 + 4+ 92 1//2 is a lot. You know if Pro Stock had this much controversy it would be more popular and they could have the scoop back.

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Mike, you are correct about the low car count for FL cars. They used to comprise about 35-40% of the field, not now though. Along with the departure of NHRA tracks in FL and South Georgia the count will really be low to get those precious grade points. Never understood the lowering of quotas for races like the Gators. Kind of like eliminating the desire for someone wanting to build a stocker.

How about this. Leave the quotas alone and only allow racers who cannot enter as a past champion/owner to reach the quota. All previous champs/owners enter anytime without effecting the quota.

Ron Ortiz
U/SA not entered.

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Jeff has skills. He can get stuff done.

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I don't know what the answer is but the amount of controversy this subject generates indicates that a lot of people would like to see the procedure modified or at least discussed.

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If we could get NHRA to test the aforementioned 3 30 packs, we could go back to 128 in each class like it used to be, and they had PS Truck in addition to the other stuff plus 30 Pro Stocks (with scoops) and on and on. We could park by the kart track in the back (I have parked there). How come we can figure this out and nobody listens. Good point Mike.

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You are a wise man. You going to the points race the week before? Might need 6 30 packs. Might be some other wise folks to join us.