Heads up runs in Stock & Super Stock
 

Anyone know off hand how many heads up runs were made in eliminations in stock & super stock at 2015 nhra events...both national & divisional.

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I checked POMONA 1, Calif

stock had 4
s/s had 0

Phoenix

stock had 4
s/s had 2

GAINESVILLE, Fla

stock had 1
s/s had 1

Charlotte 1

stock had 2
s/s had 1

LAS VEGAS 1

stock had 1
s/s had 1

Houston

stock had 4
s/s had 1

Indy

stock had 5

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Phoenix LODRS

Stock had 1
Super Stock had 0


Houston LODRS

Stock had 2
Super Stock had 0

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Proof that Stock and Super Stock are not really performance eliminators any more. I have said for several years that they are simply expensive bracket races and I have no problem with that.

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Whoops! I was doing the YTD 2016 events. Need to read more closely.

Two events were more manageable than 40+.

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Only because NHRA has put too many classes into the guide. Giving the shoe polish regime a place to hide!

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I had one at Pomona (O/SA) last month. Jon Jr had one (D/SA)
at Phoenix Nationals last week and just missed two more (Burton/Hatch) that would have been plenty tough. I had three in a row at Sear Pt. Natls. a few years ago.

You can adjust your class and position on ladder to either improve you chances
of a heads up or not.........OR just hope for the best.

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x2

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Right..and combining sticks and autos would be a good place to start getting rid of classes even if it required a weight break in the lower HP automatic transmission classes to make it fair. According to Nitro Joe's stats In the higher HP classes it isn't necessary.

If it's good enough to combine transmissions in the FS classes then why not here?


Just my 2 cents..

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Why would NHRA do that. Stock is healthy the way it is.

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Truth!!

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They have also combined stick and automatic hp ratings for many slow car combo's so if the automatic get hits with hp, the stick combo gets it too.

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Healthy being described as having lots of cars and combinations?
I believe the discussion was the limited number of heads up runs. The alternative might be fewer classes with more cars per class. Even AHFS might work faster using heads up runs as helpful on soft combinations. Maybe not everyone is pleased with it being a bracket race for expensive class cars.

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This would not be appropriate in heavy small motor automatic cars. The separate factoring would seem more reasonable in these cases. Now that a 3 speed can be substituted for a PG it would be closer.

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No, the discussion or question was how many heads up runs were there in 2015. As usual it quickly esculated to everyone's opinion on what's wrong with stk/ss.

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Unfortunately, Tony is correct. The stock eliminator that I so loved in 1980 has morphed into.....Bracket 2 Non Delay.....and it's a Damn shame.

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I liked it better in the '60s when we ran off records. The faster cars had an advantage, which I personally believe they should. Work your tail off to be faster should be worth something. ET brackets came along, and the slow guys went there. Car counts dropped dramatically. They pushed the easy button. Not everybody could run their class records. I won Stock at the one & only race at Corpus Christie (sp?) Texas, running a tenth off the record. I was the fast car there that afternoon.

When I started trying to do this again a few years ago, some of those guys are back.

It is way too much like a bracket race now.

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• Make it a performance based class like it started out being. Not sure what the answer is...entice us to run our cars hard.
• $$$$ for #1 qualifier.
• $$$$ for setting a record and/or points.
• Put sticks and autos together.
• Put the new cars back into the regular classes. Have to factor them right though.
• If you hit the trigger 3 times in a period it's a hit (certain %) even if your average is below .85 under. If you hit it 4 times the % goes up and so on and so on.
• Take .5 off the indexes
• I love the idea of no AHFS in qualifying but not sure that would ever happen.

I can't wait to put a Hemi in mine.....I can run it hard but only go .80 under.......well lets hope.

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How can you have heads-up runs at a National Event (LV1) when NHRA stupidly sets a quota at 70 cars in Stock and this a race that has class run offs.

As I stated before this averages out to 1/2 car per class and people seem surprised by the lack of heads-up runs.....................

Bob

PS:

And I never ducked a heads-up race....

I got my *** kicked and made the car faster...

Remember when the 1st round of Stock or Super Stock had a bunch of cars that couldn't run the index...

So much for performance..

It's NHRA's plan not mine to eliminate Heads-Up runs...


PPS:
Thanks for the asterisks I got carried away

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I agree too many classes...
My suggestion.
Standardize on the A-Z Stock or SS class weight breaks/
Put GT, Pure Stock, Truck, Crate...Under one of the S or SS Indexes.
Still have to fit their respective rules!
Going to be a few adjustments..but it will get sorted out.
My F/PS would fit close to the Q/SA Class.

Dan

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All these ideas have been hashed out many times before. None of it is going to happen.

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You are right!
If we don't do anything but talk about it.
Problem with ideas you have to hash out which one we want!
D

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X2!! Its a performance based class, lets keep it that way!!

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Ya know, you should start with something easy like world peace.
When you're done with that, I'm gonna hop a UFO and have lunch with Elvis, if you'd like to come.

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LMAO! I like Billy Nees.

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I had 7 heads up races in Stock in 2015. I really miss the fuel injected classes hahaha!

I think it is neat how cars from different eras get to run heads up in stock, but I don't think the HP factors are quite right. I'm not sure what the answer is.

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There you go..
If you thrive on heads up runs in Stock , just build an A/SA or a B/SA car.
Be warned though..There are a few bad boys that are just bracket racing at the moment.

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Mark,

I would love it if they would combine the sticks and autos just so I could jump in and possibly race heads up with some of these "A/SA and B/SA bad boys" that are currently bracket racing!

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That's the attitude, that's what I am talking about.

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Good the Passion is starting to mount !!

Also concur with Eric Bell !!

D

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This is not Facebook, but I like that.

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Mike, I don't believe you will see that happen any time soon.

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Mark,

I know you are right but it is really fun to think about..

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Mike, our division six director had a great idea of taking the top 10 qualifiers of stock and super stock for the year, and have a shootout. CIC rules for each round. Winner was top qualifier. I thought this idea sounded fun.

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Oh yeah Sean!

Now that sounds like a blast! Wish I lived closer!

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Won't happen in 7 ..unless it has Super/ in front of it.

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I think that it all sounds good when you have the deck stacked. Factor everyone's combo right & it would be fun. The only thing I can think is a bad thing may be that the guys that can't afford to throw money at their cars for the latest greatest will stop racing. Everyone seems to be worried about car counts. What do you think that format would bring? Some say don't hide behind shoe polish, I say don't hide behind the rule book.

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No one said you had to run the combination you run, you decided to run it, now you have to live with it. I wouldn't say its hiding behind the rule book. You hopefully pick the best combination you can run in your car.

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How can you factor everyone's combo "right" when the factors are arbitrary to begin with? ...and then, whoever wins your race will be accused of having a 'soft' combo. Catch-22.

Stock is the most popular eliminator out there. The national event fields fill up first in Stock. Division races have upwards of 100 stockers per race. If it ain't broke, don't fix it!

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Live with it ha. That's funny, I was just pointing out some of the facts that are posted on this thread, & adding my opinion about the heads up deal & what I think will happen. That's all, I love how people jump on other people on here. These threads allways turn to personal digs on people. I like heads up, when the better driver has a chance to win. There aren't many old cars out there that can hang with the injected cars, doesn't that seem like a problem?