Crankcase Pressure
 

Whats the best way to get rid of crankcase pressure with out a pan evac system for a small block stocker??

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Go get you an electric air injection pump off a toyota or gm and build a scavenge tank with a breather. Cheap and easy and fairly effective.

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My low buck solution and legal...

http://i434.photobucket.com/albums/q...pszynexfmq.jpg

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The better the engine is sealed up the less Blowby you will have which equals less Crankcase Pressure you will have. If the engine is a wet sump you can measure the Blowby with a good Blowby meter. Low leak down readings do not equal low Blowby.anything over 2cfm is too much.

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What does this do?

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Just a simple path for pressure to escape.

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If you have the valve cover connected to the fuel pump block off I don't think you're doing anything. They see the same pressure. I use manifold vacuum through the base of the carb and run a vacuum gauge to measure pan vacuum. It's not great but I do pull about 5 inches at the starting line. That's with both crank seals in the correct way.

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Is this what they call a secondary air pump?

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No bueno..........not legal in stock eliminator

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Ron - The valve cover is vented to atmosphere...the crankcase only in a torturous way. I only configured a more direct route.

Btw, the above images do not show that a breather is used on the passenger side cover. No breather/sealed on the driver side.

http://i434.photobucket.com/albums/q...psrhlj11ox.jpg

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Secondary air injection, and as Glenn pointed out, not legal for stock.

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I only have one breather on the passenger side of my 5.0 and no breather on the driver side valve cover. Difficult to get anything to fit on drivers side valve cover because upper plenum is in the way. I have tried open breather and have tried connecting it to the throttle body like factory. I also have the PCV valve coming out the back of the block and have tried sending that to the throttle body, sending it to the upper plenum, and just plain blocking it off. I still haven't figured out the best scenario for a stocker and I still burn some oil occasionally. Leakdown shows up fine. At the risk of sounding like a fool, are you supposed to block off PCV when you run breathers or can you run breathers along with pcv? I'm thinking that sending unmetered air back into an EFI system without the computer knowing may not be as good as a Carb system.

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PCV system always has a way to breathe. it pulls fresh air in thru the breather as it pulls fumes/pressure out of the engine into the manifold/plenum. Factory the breather tube goes to the air filter so it always gets clean air.

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Apparently you can't run a Dart block in stock.......because this would be pointless if you could.
The Dart block vents the crankcase through "slots" in the lifter galley like the big blocks do.

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Bobby, on a Buick Grand National the passenger side valve cover oil separator/breather is connected by hose to the turbo intake which is after the air flow meter. The PCV into the intake. IIRC there are two kinds of PCV valves, normally open and normally closed, depending on the system and their location in it. On a Boss 351 for example (I remember the valve having suction at idle) the drivers side valve cover is connected to the PCV valve and the passenger side to a little filter in the air cleaner. The system sucking thru the PCV at high vacuum/low rpm, at higher rpm that closing as intake vacuum drops and it then drawing vapors out thru the valve cover into the air cleaner to the carb. As long as you can keep oil away from the suction openings it should be OK?

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Joe - That would be assuming one would want/allow the oil to drain back directly over the crankshaft.

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You'd think Maskin and gang would be well aware of that.....myself . I want the oil to get back to the sump as quickly as possible.
I'll manage windage some other way........

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I'm no expert for sure, but I also don't have any Dart blocks lying about. It's my understanding that the Dart blocks oil differently and likely less oil up top to contend with. Using these old GM blocks my solution just seems to make sense to me.

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What you did makes sense to me ..............on an OEM block , yes.

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Ok i'm assuming a header vac system isn't legal in stock either since no one has mentioned it? and it would seem a obvious answer.

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Rich, here's a Dart SHP:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...psojdflqxw.jpg

The valley is much like a big block Chevy. They are a priority main oiling system, so the mains get oil first, then the cam/lifters....just the opposite of a factory small block. You can flood the top end pretty easily, so the lifters need to be chosen carefully.

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That's a nice looking piece there Alan...maybe some day before I die I will get to join the big boy ranks. :D With holes that large I would at a minimum have to screen them just for peace of mind.

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Dart blocks do use priority oiling and they get the same oil up to the top as a stock block. Nothing is restricted on the block to decrease the flow of oil to the top end.

Don't use the Dart cam bearings with 3 holes to much bleed off if you want to talk about oil running down on the cam.

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......and IIRC that's easy to see when priming on the stand with the intake off........I'll vouch for that.

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I was getting oil in the intake. I'm going to try an oil separator and reconnect the pcv valve to the factory spot in the back of the manifold. So let me see if I understand this. At idle the gases are being sucked into the valve cover breather through the crankcase, out the pcv valve and back into the manifold. At full throttle the pcv check valve is closed and the valve cover breather is handling all evacuation of the crankcase?