Factory Stock Showdown Earning National Event Points?
 

I'm not sure if its a misprint on NHRA's side but they're listing the points earned from the Factory Car Showdown races under National points. I like the 8 car shootouts but their points shouldn't be put towards the National Championship unless they run the regular eliminator and earn points that way like the rest of us.

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I think the Factory Stock Showdown is great the way they integrate it with the professional program now. That being said, for an eliminator car, it would require 15 winlights (three 6-round race runner ups, 84) to earn 252 points. Whereas, the showdown cars have 9 winlights to earn 255 points (85 each win).

I understand that the guys in this class work their tails off on these combos and they are dutifully rewarded. But, it seems a little off that they earn points towards the same goal as the eliminator guys. I would hope this wouldn't have an overall effect at the end of the year, but the question has to be raised.

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But these guys still have to go out and run well at Division races. there is only 4 races they can do this at, compared to the 24 races the other guys can go to.
The FS class in highly competitive, with lots of resource spent in man hours as well monetary. If a guy makes the commitment, to run all the races, then goes to points races and performs well. He deserved to be recognized. You guys would hate to run against these cars in the eliminator with the 150+ speed. Now you don't like they have there own class. They also don't get contigency for wins in the shootout. So is points toward the national championship race so unfair?

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I realize how hard these teams work. The overall championship is based off the handicap eliminator with a little heads up mixed into it. That has been the rule for a long time. It makes no sense to award points to a select few that choose to spend $100k+ to do it. What Barton has done against the other Showdown cars is amazing but he shouldn't be awarded the same points as the guys in the eliminator when he doesn't compete against them. Let them have their own points deal and crown a champion off it. I thought that's what the national performer deal is about? Most people on this forum do not race but they need to realize how hard it is to earn 85 points at a national event, which is what is awarded from winning three rounds...

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M. Brand , you are dead-on !!! Do you get the feeling everything is leaning their Way ??? No-way should they get more points for a race which we can't run !!!! They should have their own race with the same points per round ....

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I don't run Stock, but agree that it seems very wrong to award Stock points for the Factory Showdown round wins.

Might be different if the winner earned 60 points there and was then placed into the Stock field for Round 4.

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Hmm, lets see......they have their own eliminator
Get to run with the pros
have a separate award
can earn more points per round
has one dominating car
NO, they should not be eligible for national points. Either run with the regulars or run your own separate deal.

And YES, I would love to run them 150+ MPH cars. No need to judge the finish line, takes the worry out of being close. I'm pretty sure they can judge me also?
They might not get contingencies, but I believe they really don't need them with the support they get. My contingencies are a joke compared to several years ago.

I think it is good for the sport for them to continue their presentation as FS.
Doesn't Factory Stock remind you of the old Factory Stock in the 60' & 70', that later became Super Stock.

If you think that they should be rewarded for their performance accomplishments, then you better be ready to reward the Graham's also.

Ron Ortiz
U/SA

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I love the cars and love the idea of factory showdown with heads up racing, but they need to have there own points system. It would be nice to get some points for qualifying well, setting records, or winning class, but none of us do.

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You guys forgot one thing they do not get hit with horse power for going to fast and there weight per hp is set like a modified car. Let everybody play with the same apples. Tom

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I agree with Michael and Austin. Don't forget the FS/XX guys that don't make the Showdown usually occupy the top 4 spots in the eliminator taking advantage of first available byes. The system is completely flawed.

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What Dave said plus NHRA needs to fix this. 85 points X 3 for performer awards awards OK but not for national points.

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How can we compete against them (points) when we don't even race against them in the eliminator!?!? Everyone that actually tries for points should be up in arms about this. We all spend a ton of money and expect things to be as even as possible so we all have a fair shot at the championship or top ten.

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Don't look now but Mr. Barton just took a huge leap in points today. A few more good divisionals and he could be your 2016 Stock Champ. Totally ridiculous move by NHRA. I keep waiting for the "April Fools".

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I have very mixed emotions about this issue but one thing I'm sure of and like very much is the fact that if Mr.Barton wins the World Championship this year it will be the first time since the seventies that the championship has been won based on performance and not a bracket format .And surely no one will argue that he has an edge on the rest of the field at this moment .

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Stock Eliminator should remain as it has been. Shoot Out is an evolving eliminator and is nowhere near it's final format. What the final format will be, nobody knows. It has changed every year since the first Shoot Out. Presently only blown cars can play. Each year it is different; blown, unblown, spot set, spot calculated, mixed with Stock, not mixed with Stock, so points for Stock earned in eliminator only is my vote. However Shoot Out should have it's own rewards which presently is a moving target, but some reward for the Shoot Out. I think most of the rewards now are from the Manufacturer and not much from NHRA. Like I said, evolving. We will continue to sit it out and watch for now.

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I wish I could get 85 points for winning 3 rounds. This is joke and a slap in the face to the other racers that actually run in STOCK ELIMINATOR. The rest of us must run 5-6 round races to gain the same amount of points.

Who's bright Idea at NHRA was this?

Nothing against Barton his domination in the first three races really shows how hard he has worked at it. But they should have there own separate points championship just for FX.

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Looks like David Barton will be in the top 10 in stock after his third round loss in NH. He will pickup 64 points for his third round loss just like Clay Arnett did in Norwalk.

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At a divisional you get 30 points for a round 1 loss
10 per a round win

David should only get 50 for his weekend efforts.

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Do the FS/XX cars get points awarded by two different set of rules? At Norwalk Dave won the third round and got 85 points for the race. The winner of the race got 105 pts. and the race runner up, that lost in the sixth round, got 84 pts. The race runner up won two more rounds and got one point less than Barton. How dose that happen, and how is that fair to the rest of us that race stock?

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I've remained quiet on this thread because I am obviously partial to one of the FS participants in question, BUT if its so easy to get 85 points for 3 rounds, please tell that to the rest of the Factory Stock participants including the non-qualifiers that get put back into stock eliminator.

I can tell you the effort put forth by the Bartons before the Gatornationals alone, is more work than most stock or SS racers do all year long. Probably more like 2 to 3 seasons if your counting and that was just the beginning. Just because it looks like an "easy 85 points" doesn't mean it is! There are no "soft combos or dime rockets" in FS/XX!!

The other thing some may be overlooking is that maybe NHRA threw this points deal together to try and entice some racers into joining the mix and having this class take off. I dont think NHRA or the factories wouldve ever thought there would be one dominant team, but for those looking for the first stocker in the 7's, I'd say the Barton car is odds on favorite and without a carrot dangling in David, Rays and Garys face, this team may've never even come to be. Team Barton/Wolkwitz certainly has brought some very good attention to F/S and stock eliminator and the points there getting is a reward for all there hard work. The cream always rises to the top....

Now this is solely my opinion but for all the Barton haters here, don't hate the player. Hate the complainers!! (just kidding) Seriously a big thanks to NHRA and the big 3 manufacturers and SAM for making this deal happen. I am a Super Stock racer at heart, but when the factory showdown class is running, I'm on the line or watching on all access! It is a great thing and maybe next year they will have a few more races and a world champ in factory stock, but as long as it continues I'm happy. And another big thanks goes out to all the Factory Stock racers that are participating in this. Kudos Brothers!! (then maybe a Factory SuperStock/XX class!! ;) )

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NHRA released the new rules package for FSS; looks like the answer to the points deal is answered (see link). Also, thought the new Drag Pak would be included, assume MOPAR hasn't released the specs to NHRA?


http://www.nhraracer.com/content/gen...216&zoneid=132

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Looks like they will have a 5. pro tree and then if you don't make the show you go back to a full tree in the reg stock field?.