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I would like to see a 5 tenths pro tree for stock and super stock. That would eliminate a lot of red lights. I am not a fan of the tru start personally.

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I'm old but this is how I remember it . If it makes no sense just ignore it and chalk it up to my DOB ------If I spot my opponent one bulb and he leaves the instant he sees the green (not the last yellow) he left 5 tenths on the tree. If I leave the instant I see his car move I essentially left on
my last yellow ( not the green ) and most of that 5 tenths head start just evaporated. ------- Back in the seventies IHRA used the pro tree for S/Stock and Stock . Richard Griffin and Terry Earwood driving Hemi Mopars had it figured out and was killing everybody including me. Terry told me all he had to do was watch my quarter panel clear his ft. fender and hit it . Caught me in second gear and rode me to the finish line. I'm dead on or under and he's in by 2 or 3 tenths. IHRA dropped it the next year. Any of you other antiques remember this. By the way I learned from it and loved it when the shoe was on the other foot.

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What a long, bizarre, sometimes nasty road this issue has traveled.

It’s like waking up in 2016 and learning you don’t have to use MS-DOS and serial printer ports anymore.

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Guys that most always leave last won't like losing their freebes.

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x2 on the last comment....

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I would have no problems going to a 5 tenths pro start, and having thought about it some, I don't see the down side to Tru Start. I get to be on both sides, leaving first and last.
Look at who hates it, the higher class cars that like free rounds. I'm not sure it would change much anyway.

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This is about the only rule that doesn't conform to the "First or Worst" scenario. Its beyond time to make the change. I am in favor.

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Danny, you are absolutely right about the system IHRA tried, it was only slightly better than the one car length per class we got before the Christmas tree came out, probably would have been better had the tree been blocked but still terrible for the lower class cars.


Jimmy

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I did some 5 tenths pro tree when we tried top stock, it was a blast. The problem would be the stick shift guys trying to spot slower cars while bracket racing. It can be a long time to sit on the limiter.

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It would be the "worst", right?

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I've always favored the Pro tree, no matter the type of car I was driving.

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Having lost a few rounds with the better red light, I'm all for it. I lost in the final round at the Vegas Bracket Nationals. Cost me a Grand! 😀

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as bad as I've been redlighting, a 4 tenths tree would work for me;)

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There is more than one timing system be used at race tracks across the country as far as I know. And it said that true start is patented to compulink. So any track running a different system will still be running off the current rules of first red light loses. Is this correct?

Also the second this does become the rule we will have the best package argument. I can already hear it. I had a .001 red light and ran dead on I should get the win because my opponent had a .333 light and was a second over his dial in.

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I don't see the correlation. One driver fouled, the other didn't. That shouldn't ever change.

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Me too!!

I hate the "slow" tree as we call it. :)

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Yes Worst red light

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Thank you Peter and Kyle!!

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You guys that want pro start should block the first 2 out then you have a pro start tree

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Thanks Jimmy , Sometimes I suffer from bad Wreckollection .

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Back about 100 years ago when I started in this sport NASCAR was the governing body at Atco in NJ and they had a Leavers lose (LL) system.

Staging lights, one yellow and one green, basically a pro tree,. I believe it was a five tenths tree. The tree was shaded so you couldn't see the other guys light.

JimR

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Congratulations, Steve Taylor. I know he's smiling.

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So a higher class stick car gets to sit there with the engine reved up in the thunder zone while waiting on the other car to leave then for his light to come on? That'll junk up the starting line quick and park a lot of stick cars..

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Mr Stewart, I drove a stick shift car for many years and for many rounds, and I never once thought about doing anything different in accordance with what the driver in the other lane was doing or not doing.
Beside that, no one decides when to rev their engine into the thunder zone, except for you ,my friend.
Way too little here , and much too late...

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Stick drivers that use blinders bring it up early now. I don't see it as a big deal as long as you use a two step and put the rpm where you are comfortable with it.

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The guy Chris is talking about has been driving stick cars for over 50 years. He does not have a two step, either.

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Thank you for your replies, perhaps ya'll can straighten me out.
What if you have to leave at 8600rpm to get a good leave? You can't just park there at 8600 and wait for a light to come on.

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you would leave as you do now, the red light decision comes on after faster car leaves

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Well, that is harder period unless it just doesn't matter how high you leave. Why would it be harder with true start though?

I say this as a person that could care less about true start one way or the other. Just wondering what I am missing.

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Thanks, maybe I'm missing something. There was mention of the pro start with a .500 light.

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They're not doing that Chris. Just changing to worst red light.

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Ok, thanks Alan.