Dear Len Imbrongo, NHRA, and all the other people who dont care about sportsman cars
You know, after my first National Event I only have one request.
Can you guys hand out free bottles of Lube at the Gate? It would make my "enhanced experience" a little more easy to take. Maybe the guys that only got one run should receive TWO bottles. Sean Kennedy, one of the Peons |
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Sean, The writing is on the wall!
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Sean,
They don't even care about the Pro's. Look at what happend to Tim Wilkerson in Seattle. Qualify 14 and get dumped so the 3 from the top 10 in points can be installed. What will happen when the sportsman is in a 32 car field and rain sets in, guess who will get in then. This is one of the "Countdown" flaws. It happened in NASCAR to Boris Said. Qualified #1 and did not even get to race, the race was set on owner points. I don't have the answers, but I don't like the direction things are going. |
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Sean...since you are the owner of Stan's old car...you should wear one of Stan's old shirts with the logo of:
Stan Hawes Institute (of) Technology... |
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I heard the super racers did not even get one TT they went into R1 last night, did the SS guys get any or did they get hosed also.
PS one more resion I went to the IHRA in 99 and never looked back. They even thank you for comming at the pay window. I have kept my S/C # so I can bracket race localy but as far as attending an NHRA nat it will be a cold day when that happens. |
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Sean,
I am very sorry to hear about your bad experience at your first national event. When mother nature decides to "enhance" everyone's "experience", it effects all racer; pro and sportsman, as well as the fans, sponsors and NHRA.....basically everyone that had a vested interest in hoping for a successful event. |
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I want to take time out to say WOW... the director of Sportsman racing actually took the time to take notice of one guys "enhanced experience"
Weather you could fix it or not, or weather you had the right answers or not at least this shows that someone actually stops and listens to the "peons" once in a while. That is a way to keep guys like Sean that have a problem coming back to events. That is AWESOME!!!! Jeremy Waibel Waibel Competittion B/SA 2231 K&N Camaro |
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I would have to believe Sean is speaking more about the fact that the S/SS pits on the north side of the track were filled with the PRO's motorhomes and golf carts? which is controlled by the N.H.R.A,this is not about the weather.
They parked the S/SS guys past the finish line apposite the return road and the scales, to get back to they're pits it is about a 1 mile drive or more. Whether the parking assignments were done by the N.H.R.A or Pacific Raceways staff it does'nt matter because they both fumbled this one big time. |
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With the weather the way it was what was NHRA going to do, They did what they had to to get the pro show in,and thats what the poeple pay to see and thats what pays the bills. Parking at pacific raceways has always been a problem, but if you can win round 1 you can move to the upper pits if you ask pit control nicely. Remember verybody was in the same boat, it was just a bad deal.
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Sean,
Our parking really was horrible. And the fact that golf cart guy got to set up or I should say use up a huge area down in the north east corner is a real slap in the face. They were more worried about the golf carts than us. They could have gone right where we were pitted. I guess someone decided that would be too inconvenient for everyone else to drive to the top end to pick up and return their golf cart. HOWEVER I will give credit where credit is due; they did bend over backwards to try and prep the track every time it stopped raining. I can?t begin to imagine how much fuel they pumped through that jet dryer this weekend. This morning they were working on the track at 7 AM. And when we started the track was in great shape. Were lucky we got one qualifying run in, it?s all the pros got. And Comp didn?t even get one. I feel sorry for you and others for whom this was their first national event. Usually they are a lot more fun than this one was. |
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I wasnt going to say anymore. I wasnt goint to ramble. But Len actualy responded. Since he opened up the can of worms, here we go....... First, thanks for responding. If someone is willing to get into this, it means maybe there is some hope. (yeah right, did i say that?) Sure, the terrible weather had an effect on everyones weekend. But did top fuel, funny car or pro stock get told "we dont have enough time to give you a time run". The fact that there was no time run from SG, SC, Super Stock and especialy comp is absurd. Thankfully i am not one of those classes, but only becasue stock is first out usually. Did mother nature come down and say 'no time runs' or was it graham light? Not only that, but a lot of people came a long way for this race, and the truth is even if the fans are in the stands for hte pros, it has a much smaller effect on the pros to stay until monday. That is their job and their life, and one more day at the track is not nearly as big of a deal to them. Hell, they are going to just head to Sonoma and stay there so whats the difference. First round of stock was run directly after the final round of funny cars, the last pro final to run. I had to park my car in the field and pay for parking. Yet lots of those toterhome guys, the ones that you saved spots for up in the good parking lot, by the golf carts everyone was complainging about, they had all kinds of people parked with them, there was like 8 cars parked over there. So you saved them better parking, even though i got in line a week before the god damn event, and you let all their buddies into the pits to park. If you tell me this has nothing to do with you, all i can say is well if you arent complaining about it too, and working to make things better for us, even if it gets you in trouble, than you really dont care. So ... specificaly..... Why did you save a ****load of room for Justin Lamb, Biondo, Fletcher, Turner, etc. ??? I'm supposed to show up early to ensure a good spot, and i did, and i was still down in Egypt. How can you justify no time run? If it takes until monday or tuesday (like it did) because of thetime run, i think most would be fine with that. I wasn't going to rable on, or say anything else but well... Len... you waving it off as just blaming the weather really pissed me off. |
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Speaking of.... I probably would. But i've never met Stan. I dont know him, so i wouldn't recognize him. So i've probably met him and didnt realize... Heck... someone told he was hanging out with Bowdish's and they were pitted accross from me at Woodburn. I even raced Bowdish in stock there (and beat him). He never said hi or anything. I would like to talk to him sometime. Stan if you read this.. come say introduce yourself! Or someone tell him to come say hi sometime! |
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I wasn't there this weekend but I've been to a few races, including a few at that track. I've been to races that rained out and were run on Monday plus some that were run the next weekend. That's part of the game. Even Wally and Graham haven't learned how to control the weather. How did Jody and Eric manage to cope with it?
No doubt the pit situation sucked, it often sucks and it most frequently sucks at some of the events that are too big for the facility such as this one. If you attend the U.S. Nationals, are pitted in the north lot, and there are 50,000 Gomers carrying plastic goody bag standing in your way on the way to the staging lanes you'll be lucky to make it with the water temperature under 200. You learn to carry a sprayer, a small generator, and a battery charger and you deal with it. Pit parking people are often difficult to deal with because they have the power to put you where they want and your only power is to hook up and leave. The guys with the big rigs and the sponsor power get parking preference. We've all seen it, most of us have bitched about it at one time or another, but it never changes. Money talks. It's not my job to apologize for NHRA or that track but I think that this was just another bad situation that didn't get better from Friday until Monday, not a vendetta against any category or social caste. It's not a bad idea to wait until you really get hosed before you unload on the system. There are a lot worse deals than a rainy weekend in a cramped facility with a few parking-****s. To quote Dennis Miller, "It's just my opinion, I could be wrong." Cheers, c |
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When the "fun meter" hit zero, we quit attending Nat'l Events; unfortunately the meter seems to be falling at Divisionals as well....doesn't get much better than Pat's-run SportsNationals.... a racer who understands and appreciates his customers.
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I never knew there were so many cry babies in the racing world, all your mommas should be proud. It rained, and you can't race in the rain, duh.Len, I'm sorry but don't take these guys word that everbody got screwed, i'll bet you would pay them $1000.00 cash per hour if they could make it not rain. Maybe you guys should take up figure skating, you bunch of wusies.
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Wow, another brilliant post from another no name. were you there? do you even race? unless you walked in someone elses shoes, you have no idea if that person has reason to complain or not. Doesn't necessarily mean they are crybabies.JMT.
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Sean, you need to grow up and get yourself a "Role Model". This is not the first time you have acted like an ignorant *** in public and you are devolping a poor reputation! I can site a few if you would like. Have you ever given any thought to why Stan Hawes has never come over and introduced himself? This just shows how mentally weak of a person you are if you get tense enough to disrespect a gentleman like Len over a bad parking spot and a rain delayed schedule. Why don't you shut your mouth and go put together about 50 Championships like Justin Lamb, Peter Biondo, Dan Fletcher and Jeff Lane the people you mentioned and maybe you will earn some respect and get a "good" parking spot. If you need any other life coaching tips go ahead and send me an e-mail and I will do all I can!
Tommy Gaynor tommy@gaynors.com P.S. I won the 2006 Seattle National Event last year from a "Bad Parking" spot. |
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I'm with Randall on the "fun meter" thing.
Ironically "racing fan", you seem to be able to whine and use your term "wusies" pretty freely for a guy that WUSED OUT and didn't use their REAL NAME. Jerry |
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It's not just the Nationals, at the recent divisional at Lebanon Valley, bad weather came in and washed out the latter half of the first day. The run order was S/ST, STK, SG, SS, S/C, Comp (or something similar to that.) The weather started looking bad and S/ST ran (ok no problem) The radar showed a huge cell coming our way, so we run stock next right? NO we run Top Sportsman and Top Dragster!!! Two non-NHRA classes took our runs during a divisional points meet!!! If our time was taken by comp or some other NHRA class it wouldn't have been so bad, but this. And they got their third TT the next day too. So it's not just the Nationals, its the whole NHRA (dis)organization.
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Tommy-
Great post! Tim |
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Randall, I thought you just liked the cold beer and hot crawfish down here. I had no idea you enjoyed the racing. But, 'Thats just my opinion'.
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Tommy has a good point, I was the first to whine about the parking but the trip to the staging lanes was not that bad. You could go either way road course or they were allowing you to cross the track between runs. I went via the road course and you can coast ? of the way to staging. I guess what I didn?t really like was being so far away from all the action. Then Tommy?s Dad provided me the best parking spot in the place, the burn out box to watch his huge wheel stand in his first round heads up race.
Tommy?s comments about racers like Biondo, Fletcher and Rampy having gained the right to better parking due to their accomplishments is valid but what has not been discussed is that these are people that bring our sport into the spotlight Especially with large commercial sponsors like Summit and the oil companies. Would you expect sponsors of sportsman and ET series programs like Lucas and Summit to have their sponsored cars where no one can see them? So in the end you could say that giving them preferential parking was for all of our benefit. AND if I?m not mistaken even Fletcher moved to a better pit spot on Monday morning. |
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Sean...sorry...but I have to agree with Tommy on his comments. There are many young drivers out there that you should use as a benchmark. You are whom you hang out with.
I saw some newcomers in the sport such as Angela Bushmaker and I did not see her cry about the track conditions; she was raised in the sport by her parents Willy "B" and Jeannie, so she understands what it takes to race. I have also seen the rise of others such as the DeFrank kids, Brad Plourd and many others...like Tommy said, find a Godfather to help you...learn and quit your arrogance... You had some success and luck in the past with Gary's Oldsmobile at the divisional level...nevertheless, it does not make you an experienced driver either...and by the way, I would not choose Gary as your mentor either. |
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I would have to agree there... my driving started to change when I started positioning myself around those who have been in the sport for a while or even those who are simply successful. Something is to be said for experience. You have to know when to bitch and when not to... and rain???? No, I think not.
I am a fairly new driver myself, and the first person that ever beat me was Biondo, so instead of saying "well, he should have beat me, he is the world champion" I said "No, I will become like him" It is all a mind set. At the end of the day, NHRA still makes the rules. Be a racer or a tech guy... you cant be both. Jeremy Waibel |
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Wow,
I didn't get in anybodys face at the event. I waited until monday, and i was home on my keyboard to vent. That makes me an ignorant ***? So just let me get this straight.... If i have a negative opinion of the event, and i state it, than i'm an ***? I thought that's what this place was for, sharing of opinions and thoughts. I'm a newbie at this, and i know it. I dont think i'm anybody special, but i'm going to keep working my *** off trying to become one. If sharing my opinion, and being a little heated after getting screwed, makes me that, then i guess i will continue to be. Tommy i have a lot of respect for you as a racer, and i thought you were a nice guy. I dont come out and insult people, and i didnt, so i'm kind of taken aback by you. I dont go to many races, and i dont say a whole lot to anyone, so id ont know how i rubbed many people the wrong way. Oh well, i'll just continute being anti-social most of the time, it was apparently for the best. P.S. When did i ever say i was anything but inexperienced, ****, i said it was my FIRST national event. Thanks for the kind words of support ;-| |
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Side note, i think i'm the only guy to get yelled more than Bruce Fulper.
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Sean...this is the reason why you need a racing Godfather to hold you by the hand so you can learn...being a sportsman racer is sort of like peeing against the wind...you are at the mercy of NHRA and the track...no if's or but's...this is the way it is. There is a difference between venting and whinning...you are doing the later...
By the way...if you feel that Tommy insulted you, you have a long ways to grow up!!! In this sport, you have to take it like a man and at your level, you have to be quiet, listen, and learn from others...this will not be the first or last event that you will experience these things. So...if you cannot handle it the proper way, then you should you restrict yourself to bracket racing during the weekends. (No offense to bracket racers!!!) |
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Man, I would have killed to get to race the National!
You kind of know that going in it will suck. It's a mess like we don't see often. Even with good weather, you get parked in a less than ideal spot. The rain just made it that much worse. Combine that with thousands of people going everywhere-yeah it sucks. NHRA will never make everyone happy. Those that bitch usually don't have a viable alternative, just complaining about their particular experience. Let's face it, NHRA is the only show in town. Like it or lump it. Nothing, I repeat NOTHING, is worse that keyboard racing from home. I have sat out for 3 years now since selling my old car-which by the way was in the Super Stock Winner's Circle (damn you Jody!) Try to put things in perspective. A wise man once said "Think about what you want to say, think about it again, then don't say it". Constructive criticism is one thing, all out bitching is another. Just my opinion, as a former racer that has a damn car put together but couldn't get his act together to get out yet-LOL. See y'all out there soon. Jeff Goss 6990 SS/MA |
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I know Ed isn't the most popular person on this board, but I tend to agree. Really...why should there be any distinction among the sportsman racers? And I'm not even saying that any of the greats would even ask for any differentiation. I know Dan Fletcher and Peter Biondo personally, and they're two of the most humble racers out there. I've never met David Rampy, but have heard the same about him. Its really a shame that money plays into it.
That said, I'm a realist, and nobody ever said life was fair. From a racing perspective, I'm a nobody and though I'd love to be treated the same as Dan Fletcher or Peter Biondo, that's just not going to happen, especially since they're involved with companies that spend their advertising dollars with NHRA. So, if I want to be treated the same as the big name sportsman racers, I know I'm going to have to go out and earn it. As for the weather, I feel bad for all you guys that ended up having to wait around. But, that's the way it goes. Sorry your first event wasn't a memorable one, but it could have been worse. Your first event could have been Houston earlier this year that was postponed a week for some, and MONTHS for others (S/St won't be run until Dallas(!) this fall). My first national event ever from a competition standpoint was the 1990 Springnationals in Columbus. It was FLOODED out. The water was up to the bottom of our trailer. We were lucky though...we actually loaded our car in the trailer overnight. Many others didn't, and came back to the track the following morning to find their car with 2 ft. of water in it. I don't remember when the make-up race was, but we couldn't go back. So, the conclusion of our first race was run at the 1991 Columbus Springnationals. My 2nd NHRA national event? The 2004 fall event at Chicago (I didn't have the best pit spot there either...I was one of about 20 rigs parked on the wrong side of the track). Anyway, I'm not trying to make you feel like you shouldn't be disappointed with the way your first national event went. But, my guess is that your expectations were unrealistically high. Feel lucky that you even had the opportunity to go, as you never know what might come up in life that keeps you from attending again. |
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I really thought i was done with this but i have a few more comments.
Thanks to all you who didnt just berate me. First, I lost because of my inexperience, not because of the weather, so I am not blaming the weather, or the delays, for my loss. I lost on my own dumb *** accord. Tommy Gaynor, The way you talk, you sound like i need to win championships to deserve anyones respect. I dont expect to be treated like the big boys, but everyone deserves a little respect. (except me apparently) I got a little hot headed and didn't explain myself fully. My real problem with parking was that lots of people with big rigs got there after us and got better spots, and thats not even that bad. What really irks me, is that they repaved part of the pit so that the pros could be all pitted together. But the thing is, they didn't move are pit area somewhere else. They gave the pros what was formerly the stock super stock pits, and let them keep all the space they already had. I'm even cool with the champs getting good pit spaces, and the guys that run the circuit for a living. That doesn't really bug me. Jason Oldfield, The funny thing is, i went into this weekend with the 'half-empty' attitude. I expected things to be bad, just not as bad as they were. I have spectated at this race for the previous 13 years before racing it, and what they did this year stunned me. Between stealing the only decent sportsman pit, and giving most of the field one run, those are my real points. Call me what you want, those two things are still totaly wrong. I didnt' think anyone would pat me on the back for saying what i said, i didn't expect sympathy really either. but what i DID NOT expect was to be called names or berated to the point i was. Sean "ignorant asshat" Kennedy (I think i'm going to put that on my car LOL!) |
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Ignorant Asshat,
Sorry, I couldn't resist. ;) I hate to say this, but I guess it just comes with experience. My 2nd trip to Chicago was the ONLY time that i can remember having a decent pit experience. Heck, I even got a bad pit spot at Englishtown. Impossible you say as Englishtown is all blacktop? Ha! As I know where the secret crappy parking is at Englishtown...in the area PAST where they usually park the S/S guys, where its nothing but mushy rocks! Honestly, I probably let this type of thing bug me more than it should. But, as a sportsman racer that does this for FUN, it annoys the crap out of me when I have to drive through a mud bog to get to my pit area (and hence track mud all over my trailer and RV), or when I have a 2 mile drive up to the staging lanes. But, I've generally come to grips with the fact that I'm going to get the WORST pit space possible at NHRA national events. Unfortunately, I can't afford to take an extra day off of work to ensure a better pit spot, so I generally get the worst of the worst. If I'm lucky, I win first round and then get to move someplace better (by asking nicely, of course!) Add that to the fact that I don't think I've EVER had more than 2 time runs at an NHRA national event, and I've generally come to expect the worst. Before I started going to national events again, I was told that with the new quota system that we'd get at least 3 time runs, and in most cases 4 time runs. It doesn't happen...at least not here in the Northeast. It's just not common for us to have 4 straight days of perfect weather, so we're always battling rain, and losing a run because of it (not to mention dealing with muddy pits). So, again, sorry that it was worse than you even anticipated. But, this is the way its going to be from now until...well...I won't even go there... Hopefully your next event will go better (but not if I'm there, because I'm sure if I went to Vegas they'd get torrential downpours there)... |
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This must be the same Sean Kennedy that was busting the div-6 directors balls because there were only 50 spots for stock but it looks like you got in now your crying about the way the race went. The road go's both ways you didn't have to be there and you aren't going to gain any respect by crying on the internet or in person so why don't you crawl back under your rock.
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Hello Jason.
I have a question about your E-Town parking experience. As a weekly racer and employee there, I can only assume that you are talking about the area by the lake, known as the 400 lot, as this is the only spot with even the slightest amount of rock towards the rear of the lot. If so, I know for a fact that, due to no Stock at the event, there was a ton of room in that lot to have been able to park your car on blacktop. I know that the NHRA puts you in a certain spot and that is usually it but there was more than enough blacktop in that lot to not have parked on the rocks as you are stating. Why not just simply move? |
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hummmmm like this something new to happen.
it rains it's gona happen. bad pit parking is gona happen. least ya got to race, the super cars at memphis had to park in round track parking lot for " 3 " days before they sent some local kid that worked for track to tell us to "GO HOME " we did run nats at the div race later in years. oh sat it rained so hard couldn't see my car beside the truck(i was in truck). what about the stock, super stock that ran houston parked at a mall ran on monday or some other time. the " gators " at orlando comes to mind also. things are gona happen sooner or later. maybe in 09 when all we get to race at is sportsnat they will have the one per div at a large track where all will have good pit sites. ok just my .02 jim |
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Hey RULER at least Sean has the BALLS to use his name.
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Guys,
I have to agree with Ed on this one. Just because you are a professional racer shouldn't mean you should get special treatment. I would like to think that if I pay $250.00 to enter a national event, take time off work to go (usually vaction time), fuel for the truck, fuel for the car, hotel expense, food, etc. that I should get at least a decent place to park my rig regardless of the size. No one has control over the weather but to push the sportsman racer farther and farther away from the staging lanes is getting absurd. I have been racing since the late 70's and I have been parked in some pretty remote places at national events as well as divisionals. Last year at Indy NHRA blocked off a large area for the PM's and they didn't fill half of it. Whether we are sportsman racers or pros we are still competitors. We are still part of the show. We the sportsman racers are paying to compete and should be given a decent place to pit. I think there are plenty of fans out there that still like to see stock and super stock. I know things have changed over the years but this sport was built on stock and super stock, not bracket racing or pros. At the rate things are going NHRA will be lucky to fill the pro fields at a lot of the races. The alky classes very seldom have a full field. I know we need to adapt but at least make us feel like we are part of the show ..... |
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