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NMCA is offering some great options for Stock and Super Stock racers. Take a minute to check out my story at Class Racer Magazine, and check out the www.NMCAdigital.com to see the schedule.

http://classracer.com/magazine/?p=5109

Thanks,

Evan

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Great Story Evan. I plan on having my 1967 Fairlane at Bradenton next year.

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Great story....Ill be in Bradenton with my DragnWagn.

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I would love to race my A/S car in NMCA but by reading the 2016 rules I can't find a class that I can compete in. I can't race a Camaro in Nostalgia SS so that's out and I can't race in Stock because I won't remove my wheelie bars.

Am I missing something here?

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Mike,let me know how this comes out. My car is in the same 46 to 49 year old boat!

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I emailed Rollie Miller about the classes, I wanted to race my Drag Pak at the NMCA races. The factory supercar class won't work for an N/A car, no way to get to the minimum weight and we still couldn't run with a blown car. Too bad, I've run Doug's Cuda at their races and they have a great program, just not setup for NHRA class cars right now. It would be nice to have another venue to race at!

Dennis Breeden

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Looks like a bunch of class racers need to contact them before Nov 2 if we want any consideration as to rule changes for the 17 season...The way the rules stand right now real class cars just can't race in this venue...

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I know that both the NMCA and NMRA are loaded up right now on classes, but the NMRA had a Stock/Super Stock combo race at the Maple Grove event this year.

I was hoping there would have been one at Bowling Green, but no luck.
Maybe something like that might be an idea for the NMCA ??

As it stands right now, none of my Stockers are eligible for any class in the NMCA

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It seems to me that NMCA I tried running stock and super stock several times in the past. Am I wrong? Maybe Doug Duell can answer that for us. it was the same story then, I believe. No Wally's, no cars

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Teddy, you forgot some only race when they can share the track with John Force....LOL.....

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We can run in NMCA Open Comp Class. Its a .500 pro tree, which honestly, I think would be fabulous, and would kill to have in NHRA SS.

I looked into it a few years ago, but never wound up going to an event. The class has whats called a ".100 breakout"... As I gather, you run time trials, then you have no choice but to "dial" .1 quicker than your fastest time trial for the remainder of the event. Would not seem to be a problem to figure out exactly how to run the TT to have the dial be pretty close.. Anyone who knows better, please correct me if Im wrong, I dont contend to know for sure....

From what I've been told, the racers are treated like royalty at these races.

Kp

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I do not remember NMCA running any Stock/SS combo races. NSS does limit the bodies that can race but NMC class is more wide open. Both classes are footbrake only, no electronics, can not even have a 2 step except on a stick car. These guys do treat you great and run a very organized race. Maybe a stock/SS combo could be in the future.

Doug Duell

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Thanks
Actually I wasn't sure if they actually ran S/SS somewhere, or we just talked about it here.
Pretty sure that the typical response from NHRA class racers, was..very little interest.

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In 2006 when the NMCA was the NSCA Nitro Joe put on a S/SS race at National Trails at the NSCA event there. I remember it well because it was the first time I had my car out after switching to a stick.

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The NMRA had a combo race at Maple Grove this year.

Too bad it was the same weekend as a local Divisional race...

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I ran Open Comp last year at the NMRA World Finals with my T-Bird Stocker.

Most racers add 100 lbs. during qualifying to slow their machine down .1 sec.
Not a fan of the pro tree used in OC.
It's basically a catch all class for those that do not fit any other classes ( other than brackets)

http://i65.tinypic.com/2wrhm48.jpg

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Most stock cars are old enough and fast enough to help put on a good show in NSS. I just can't understand why we cant play, at least we have mostly real parts.

What the hay, it their ball, bat, and glove.

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I heard a long time ago only select older body styles with multiple carbs were wanted in NSS because they were afraid if it was opened up there would be too many Camaros, Novas, etc show up.

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Hey Jason.

Let me get this straight..NMCA is afraid of an increased car count by including the likes of Camaro's, Darts, Mustangs, etc.?
Seems rather counter productive to me and all the more reason we all should flood them with suggested rule changes for the 17 season before the Nov 2 deadline!

After all we're not looking to add an eliminator but just want inclusion to an existing one. Seems like a no brainer to me?

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Am I missing something? I checked out the rules in Nostalgia Muscle Car (NMC) and aside from a few odds & ends, it looks like any NHRA/IHRA Stocker, with a body 1985 or older, would fit. (Full tree with preset indexes: 11.5, 12.0, etc.) Nostalgia Super Stock (NSS) might be a bit different, but I didn't read their rules.


This is the link, but I can't get it to load at the moment


http://www.nmcadigital.com/dl/rules/nmc.pdf


Some exceptions -
* No 2-steps, except stick.
* No crank triggers.
* No driveshaft sensors.
* No wheelie bars.

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Yep...there is the problem Myron...No wheelie bars in Stock. there is no chance I'll run my car without them! after we almost tipped over backwards at Houston in 2000 Nhra wisely allowed wheelie bars the following season.
Personally I don't care what they do. Either allow Camaro's etc in NSS Or allow wheelie bars in Stock. Either way the problem is solved...

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NMCA is asking for suggestions. Naturally, some compromises would need to be made and there will always be people who are not happy.(Just like NHRA.) But a quantity of racers writing in with quality reasoning/suggestions can't hurt. Address their issues as well as yours. Perhaps they would be more receptive to reason than NHRA.

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Also, NMC does not allow any engine unless it is a V-8.
That's the reason my Bird cannot run NMC.

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No bars is a deal breaker!

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I ran with NMCA years ago in the EFI classes and had a blast. I'm thinking I will run a few races in 2017 with the El Camino in the Nostalgia Muscle Car class...should be fun.

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I just emailed my friend Steve Baur the editor of Fastest Street Car Magazine the official magazine for NMCA telling him you are wanting wheelie bars for safety and he said he would bring it up.

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I thought they ran one at Quaker City Raceway, but I looked it up and it was NSCA, 2005.

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Steve Baur's response to wheelie bars

I passed your suggestion on.

Unofficially, the fact that we have cars running 210 mph to the eighth without wheelie bars doesn’t bode well for the change.

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How about just adding a STK/SS combo race class at 3-4 NMCA events to see if there's the car count to add a class for 2018.

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IMO, If NMCA wants to increase car count and bring in NHRA/IHRA class cars, the rules need to be so that there is complete cross over. I do not see any class racers readjusting their cars to run the NMCA.

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Even with a light turnout, it would be quite a bit bigger than some of the classes they have.

Unless things have changed recently, NSS and NMC are the biggest classes ...Both breakout eliminators.

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Open Comp, NSS and NMC are they most populated classes in this series much like Stock and SS are in NHRA. Looking for big rule changes to bring a few more cars upsets the current racers in these classes. They have taken the the time and money to build to the class rules and expect others to do the same. Major rule changes have been tried in the past with the hope of bring in new cars with very little new racers showing up. So some NHRA cars can run these classes with little or no change to their cars. So bring them out you will have a blast. I would like to see the NMCA hold a couple Stock/SS combo races to test the waters. If that would work adding a Stock class and a SS class to their program with full NHRA rules and enforcement would be cool. With quotas lower at NHRA national events this would give NHRA Stock/SS another place to race. If 40 to 50 Stockers and 35 SS show up it would be also one of the larger NMCA classes. I have passed these ideas on to NMCA and they are interested. Lets see what happens.

Thanks, Doug Duell

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I agree ^^
problem solved


I agree ^^


If the NMCA truly wants class racers to join their events, then they need to understand that most Stock/SS racers do not want to adjust their combos to fit into another organization's rules.
These cars have logged alot of runs with data and the drivers are comfortable with their combos.

JMO

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Good post Doug.
I have ran both NMCA and NMRA events with my Stockers and there are spectators at these events that were asking me questions about my car and the Stock Eliminator rules.

At the NMRA events, there are a lot of young 20-40 year olds that have never been around a NHRA/IHRA class car.
My guess is it is the same at NMCA events.

I believe that allowing the Class cars in their own combo class at the NMCA events would be an excellent opportunity to help the organization expand and to help showcase our type of race cars to some of the younger racers and fans.

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I wonder if Top Stock would work for them? Would the NHRA racers support that? (Traditional A/B/C cars)

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If topstock does make a return each racer should have a spec. sheet in there pits showing: lift, valve size, compression ratio, solid or hyd. camshaft, single or double springs, runner cc.and head cc. This will show fans how much attention to detail was taken to get the car to run that fast. Almost forgot the weight of the car.

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Bingo ...Period...end of story. I totally can't believe the response Rusty got from NMCA. What an absolute joke that response was!

Mk

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Both NMCA and NMRA put on spectacular events and always have. They also draw plenty of spectators. I don't see them bending over backwards to accommodate any of us at the expense of their current base. With that being said, by all means participate in the classes which are already liberal in the current rules...a lack of wheelie bars does not affect the majority of Stock Eliminator vehicles.

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Steve Baur's response to wheelie bars

I passed your suggestion on.

Unofficially, the fact that we have cars running 210 mph to the eighth without wheelie bars doesn’t bode well for the change.------------------ My thought is if we had tube chassis 4link cars we would not need wheel bars also but we have stock bodies leaf spring cars so the only way to get traction is get the front end off the ground some of the short wheel base cars need them!!!

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In reality the only classes we could compete in are NSS and NMC. The NSS crowd are an extremely tight knit and organized bunch and until they themselves begin to clamor for a rule change there will be none...period.

NMC is a little different in that it encourages participation from cars that are representative of street driven machines and in many cases participants actually do drive them on the road. My thoughts are the current crop are having no problems negotiating the track, thus no reason at this time to revise the rules.

I think this thread got off track a bit...it was a simple invite to come participate in a great series of races. NMCA has no problems with car counts or drawing spectators...they certainly would not welcome any undue strife.