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John Brimer 10-18-2016 01:06 PM

Air Shifter
 
Why is it legal in Stock for a COPO to have an air shifter?

pfordamx 10-18-2016 01:20 PM

Re: Air Shifter
 
because nhra wants copos in the lanes

cad 10-18-2016 01:24 PM

Re: Air Shifter
 
Per rules: Pneumatic, hydraulic, electric, etc.controls and shifters in all noncomputer-controlled electronic-fuelinjected vehicles prohibited.

Mickey Whaley 10-18-2016 06:31 PM

Re: Air Shifter
 
Makes a lot of sense

Eric Merryfield 10-18-2016 07:44 PM

Re: Air Shifter
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by John Brimer (Post 517901)
Why is it legal in Stock for a COPO to have an air shifter?

Its legal? Do you have a picture of a stocker with an air shifter? That just doesn't sound right. E-shift 1-2 is legal, but an air shifter is a totally different animal. At least the fateful 2-3 shift must be done by hand.......I will be looking the next time I am in the staging lanes!

Darrel Goheen 10-18-2016 11:14 PM

Re: Air Shifter
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by John Brimer (Post 517901)
Why is it legal in Stock for a COPO to have an air shifter?

I believe because they came from the factory that way.

Super Sport 10-19-2016 12:20 AM

Re: Air Shifter
 
[QUOTE=Darrel Goheen;517953]I believe because they came from the factory that way.[/QUOTE

There was a time when NHRA told the factory what was acceptable and what was not. Guess those days are long gone.

FireSale 10-19-2016 02:08 AM

Re: Air Shifter
 
The transmission section of Stock is a bit muddy on this. It seems that an rpm activated electric shift unit "internal or external to the transmission" can be used on a computer controlled car. The solenoid on one of these looks like a CO2 unit but is shorter.

Air and electric shifters and controls are prohibited on all "non computer controlled EFI cars" Nothing about carburetor cars noted.

novassdude 10-19-2016 09:32 AM

Re: Air Shifter
 
There is a provision for having an Air/solenoid activated shifter. I have a letter from NHRA that states I can have an electric solenoid on my shifter but it must be activated by the driver not a timer or rpm switch. So I have a button on my hand controls to activate the solenoid and change gears. I have not looked at the rule book lately but I thought they had a provision in it for a situation like this.
Good chance this is not the situation in the COPO case but it is possible.

Mark Faul 10-19-2016 11:47 AM

Re: Air Shifter
 
My opinion is that if a guy in an EFI car (2000 Firebird for example) chooses to run his 4L60E computer controlled transmission through his ECU, more power to him! But when you need an electric or pneumatic add on gizmo and a stand alone box in a Metric 200 to do the shifting, it shouldn't be legal. Or give everyone the same stuff. (Not my choice)
Stock is more and more becoming a far cry from what it once was....

Obviously in novassdude's situation things can be made to work. As long as it's a function of the driver.

Jeff Teuton 10-19-2016 12:43 PM

Re: Air Shifter
 
I inquired about an air shifter for my fleet this weekend at Dallas. No. Even the Copo cars should not have them. My .30 cents (inflated .02) However I was told a 38 Hudson Teraplane with inline Hemi power was ok.

Bobby Fazio 10-19-2016 02:21 PM

Re: Air Shifter
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cad (Post 517903)
Per rules: Pneumatic, hydraulic, electric, etc.controls and shifters in all noncomputer-controlled electronic-fuelinjected vehicles prohibited.

Sweet so I can run the bogus E-Shift in my stocker?

Bobby Fazio 10-19-2016 02:24 PM

Re: Air Shifter
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Faul (Post 517983)
My opinion is that if a guy in an EFI car (2000 Firebird for example) chooses to run his 4L60E computer controlled transmission through his ECU, more power to him! But when you need an electric or pneumatic add on gizmo and a stand alone box in a Metric 200 to do the shifting, it shouldn't be legal.

100% agree, been saying this for a while..

Pete Beau 10-19-2016 03:20 PM

Re: Air Shifter
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Faul (Post 517983)
My opinion is that if a guy in an EFI car (2000 Firebird for example) chooses to run his 4L60E computer controlled transmission through his ECU, more power to him! But when you need an electric or pneumatic add on gizmo and a stand alone box in a Metric 200 to do the shifting, it shouldn't be legal. Or give everyone the same stuff. (Not my choice)
Stock is more and more becoming a far cry from what it once was....

Obviously in novassdude's situation things can be made to work. As long as it's a function of the driver.

Define 'gizmo' :-)

Ed Carpenter 10-19-2016 03:53 PM

Re: Air Shifter
 
How about get rid of all that stuff and make the rule "shifting must be a function of the driver only" shifting by electronic, air, or pneumatic means prohibited.........

FireSale 10-20-2016 02:50 AM

Re: Air Shifter
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed Carpenter (Post 518004)
How about get rid of all that stuff and make the rule "shifting must be a function of the driver only" shifting by electronic, air, or pneumatic means prohibited.........

I agree with this. I was looking at an air shift unit as part of converting my street strip car to a trailer super stocker but it didn't seem like much fun.

While you're at it, move all the FWD conversion cars to co elim.

Dale


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