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I know, I know this is not a stock or super stock comment.

It seems that Chevrolets dominate pro stock.......qualifying and eliminations. How about making a weight adjustment, subject to change, and give the Mopars 50 pounds and ford's 100 pounds. Change when necessary to keep it equal.

I am sure people will say..""work harder and you will go faster".....that hasn't happened. I would like to see qualifying within a hun.

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The qualifying spread at Pomona is .114. It was even better, .075 at Las Vegas. An average spread around .100 is excellent in any Pro category. Not even Super categories can qualify 16 cars within .01

Weight breaks haven't been used in NHRA Pro Stock in 34 years, but that hasn't prevented Fords and Mopars from winning races and championships in the meantime.

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Have to admit it's been a surprise that the Elite bunch couldn't get the Darts competitive. No telling what the Johnsons could have done with Mopar backing but that's another story. IMHO weight adjustments by NHRA would be a joke...the cream would rise to the top just like in PSM.

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Molar and Ford will suffer most from having a limited knowledge base. There's just less people to learn or get information from. And that's from the dyno room to the racetrack. Those motors differ in enough aspects such that they want something different and it doesn't quite translate between brands. I'm comparison to gm, there's such a vast knowledge base to gain knowledge from especially if your a newcomer. I blame no one for choosing gm, it's your best opportunity for success. Lots of well funded people have tried to be competitive with Ford or mopar(mostly due to brand funding) but rarely do you get individuals who sustain those efforts when they're not immediately competitive. Obviously people have to make a living but as a mopar fan, it's sad to see mopar numbers continue to dwindle and Allen and Roy are a stone's throw from retirement. Hopefully Alex Prusiensky stays with it for a while. V retired, Kramer and Elite , looks to be switching, so it's disappointing. My opinion of course

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Pro Stock is dead and the NHRA is going to pull the plug on it as we currently know it within 5 years.
The engine now in Alan's car was purchased from Elite. He didn't qualify at Vegas with it and is #16 at Pomona, .023 slower than #15. He's got a long way to go and lots of $ to spend before he is competitive.

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MOPAR needs to get off that Hemi crap, and develope a decent cylinder head. Low air flow = low power.

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You can't fix Pro Stock.

1. Ford and Chrysler don't really want to play.

2. NHRA has no idea what they're doing.

3. You can't outlaw extreme spending.

4. The cars do not remotely resemble production street cars anymore.

5. Fans that are catered to are interested in fuel cars.


But boy, fuel injection sure did help, didn't it? And the hood scoop rule, and the parking rule, and the wheelie bar rule ........ :rolleyes:

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IMHO, Factory Stock = 21st Century Pro Stock! And all of the Manufacturers want to play.

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NHRA will not be bothered with Pro Stock that requires weight breaks, factors, or other adjustments.

The 500 cubic inch 2350 pound version of Pro Stock is actually the most healthy and most sustainable over time.

Some of the money can be negated by common sense rules. Take them back to a 14"x32" slick. A body template rule with reasonable scoop and spoiler limits, which will also make them look like factory cars. Modify the EFI rule and take the throttle body size down. Get rid of some exotic materials.

Factory Stock works now because it is something like the old muscle car wars, where the customers are absorbing the costs of development to a large degree ($100K per car makes it somewhat affordable to amortize it when most of what changes is just the engine). Even better, no insurance problems or government safety and emission regulations.

As soon as you take that to a professional level, the customers don't absorb so much of the cost, they expect parts, cars, and development help. Not only that, they expect new combinations to beat the factors when weight breaks and factors get involved. Not to mention NHRA then has to make the three of them happy with factors, and then you have the nightmare of factoring small engines against big engines, supercharged against normally aspirated, etc.

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Let Pro Stock die. There is nothing STOCK about them anymore. I lost interest many years ago, and I followed the class since it's beginning in 1970.

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Still my favorite class. I don't watch the Fuel cars.

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Still my favorite pro class too. The Mopars will catch up in a year or two if the funding is there. IDK what the summit boys have figured out,but I swear greg andersons car sometimes sounds like it's going to die right before he starts the burnout!

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HAHAHA AHFS system I think that it will work

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I don't believe that for a minute... I know both Johnson's... The only way I would believe that is if Roy looked me in the eye and told me that... Good internet rumor and I believe that all it is....

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Pretty sure he was referring to Alan Prusiensky. Not Alan Johnson.

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obviously you can't comprehend what you read.

Go back and read what I stated and in response to.:rolleyes:

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Totally agree 100%. Today's pro stock cars look like space ships instead of the models they are supposed to resemble. Body templates used are way too liberal. Factory stockers are more exciting to watch nowadays.

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Other than the Camaro & Corvette (Which I don't care for anyway), can you tell the new cars on the street apart, without reading the nameplates? Wife and I were talking about that when we were out today. They all look so much alike anymore. Run them all through a wind tunnel....

It's good, very close heads up racing. MOPAR needs a better cylinder head casting. Get off that small Hemi crap. They used to have a very good wedge casting, Allen Johnson was very fast then.
Hate to see Erica and Jeggie behind like this.

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P/S has just about turned into another sort off funny car show. It was more interesting when the cars were close to stock body and all car brands were in the mix. Know all the owners push the rule book, and the bank book, but it's gotten way out of hand. Case in hand at least the Hemi A/H cars still look like they were produced, and are very interesting to watch.

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OK My bad.... I read Allen and assumed Allen Johnson... I know him and he would not have an Elite engine in his car... Maybe Prusiensky had one I cannot speak to that.. Sorry for the mistake....

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Supposedly there is a new spec Goodyear tire for 2017. Anyone know why? BTW all of you who think the factory supercars are the answer......someone will get their supercharged car to run the fastest with as little wheelstand as possible.....then what? Also while 8 second runs are ok at the track, they make for bad TV (yawn).

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Guess they're going back to front with GM...as for their (re: Jeggie) role in J&J losing the Mopar backing in the first place...karma is a b..ch. Lot of hubbub though since NHRA has pretty much killed PS anyway, gets very little time on the FS1 telecasts, simply too much to fit in since we have to know which Kardashian the Force girls like, how a Dodge FC stacks up against a Camaro FC (really?), the travails of Leah, ad nauseum...ok, rant over.

http://www.nhra.com/story/2016/11/16...-ways-in-2017/

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Ed, do you really think the canted valve design they have is that bad? I've always heard that the powerband was much narrower but it never seemed to be terribly behind on power. I know they have a new design with a difference valve layout that they've been playing with this year. Seems that figuring out the tune up has been a bigger issue. When comparing all of the teams to the KB group. KB is winning at every end of the track, its not just power. In watching Pro Stock through the years, the most powerful cars aren't always the quickest up front, but this year. Race in and race out, KB is winning from the 60ft to the mph.

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I believe AJ had his best year ,as in performance advantage , on his championship a few years back. That was with hemi 99 stuff.

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Sure about that? You know Alan Johnson well? The cylinder head guy that did most of the Pro Stock heads at the time Johnson was the fast guy, told a friend of mine, who's heads he also did, (I was standing there) that he used the same CNC program to cut the Dodge & Chevy intake ports. They flowed the same. Don't see how that could work with a Hemi.
I recently talked to one of the top Pro Stock cylinder head men (different one now) about how the MOPARs are down on power. I asked him if those new Hemi heads they have run now can be made to flow we well as the Chevy heads they used to run. (Only place it could be) The man told me "Of course not, that's why we can't make the same power."

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Yep. I'm sure. By 2012 the p5 (or hemi 99) was the only legal head for a Dodge. Just search a pic of his 2012 car. But, I agree something is off with that motor. It hasn't taken to F.I. and the RPM limit.

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FWIW, here's a comparison between the two NHRA Pro Stock eras:

NHRA Pro Stock Championships during the 500"/2350LB era
(1982-2016)

GM 25/35 71.4%
6x Warren Johnson
4x Jeg Coughlin Jr.
4x Greg Anderson
3x Jason Line
3x Lee Shepherd
2x Erica Enders-Stevens
2x Jim Yates
1x Mike Edwards

FORD 5/35 14.3%
5x Bob Glidden

MOPAR 5/35 14.3%
3x Darrell Alderman
1x Allen Johnson
1x Jeg Coughlin Jr. (2013 only)

FORD + MOPAR combined
9/35 25.7%

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NHRA Pro Stock Championships during the weight-break era
(1970-1981)

FORD 7/12 58.3%
5x Bob Glidden
1x Wayne Gapp
1x Don Nicholson

GM 3/12 25.0%
1x Bill Jenkins
1x Larry Lombardo
1x Lee Shepherd

MOPAR 2/12 16.7%
1x Mike Fons
1x Ronnie Sox

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I miss the days when a canted valve Ford engine had a .5 lb. penality
just because......