Originally Posted by 7423 (Post 519730)

Nothing mysterious about it................Lang should be the winner. He drove a better race.

Originally Posted by Rory McNeil (Post 519735)

Curious how you say that Charlie, their red lights were only .001 apart, and Bob was much closer to his dial, although it is obvious that both drivers lifted early. I know both drivers, and Jody is certainly one of the best Stock and S/S drivers over the past 15 or so years, but as he showed in the final, Mr. Gullet is not to be taken lightly, and deserved the win.

Originally Posted by FireSale (Post 519761)

I reread the available info on TruStart and agree with the premise, but the track has to shut off the automatic win light until after the second car starts the clocks. If the chaser is geared to kill the tree in a tight race like this, he can drop out of race mode with the auto win light flashing. If the win light is put on hold, then the chaser has to follow his plan of action. If it involves cutting it too close, then the red light margins decide the winner. The chaser has to be given the opportunity to lose to make this fair.

Originally Posted by novassdude (Post 519778)

Next we need to go for the best package crowed. Who would have won the race based on best package?

Then to be really fair lets figure the winner all 3 ways Current system, True start and Best package. The racer that wins 2 out of 3 ways is declared the winner.

Or to make the new millennials happy every one just go down the track but don't record anything and everyone is declared the winner.

Originally Posted by Bob Don (Post 519780)

If this includes a "Participation Wally", I'm in!

Originally Posted by novassdude (Post 519778)

Next we need to go for the best package crowed. Who would have won the race based on best package?

Then to be really fair lets figure the winner all 3 ways Current system, True start and Best package. The racer that wins 2 out of 3 ways is declared the winner.

Or to make the new millennials happy every one just go down the track but don't record anything and everyone is declared the winner.

Originally Posted by Mickey Whaley (Post 519775)

Ken please get this crap off of here same ol same ol racing has been the same for 40 years why change now????????????????

Originally Posted by 7423 (Post 519736)

The race was over on the starting line. Closer to the dial means nothing. Closer to green should move on. Jody was closer to green than Bob. Pigs should have been flyin' long ago...........

Originally Posted by Rory McNeil (Post 519735)

Curious how you say that Charlie, their red lights were only .001 apart, and Bob was much closer to his dial, although it is obvious that both drivers lifted early. I know both drivers, and Jody is certainly one of the best Stock and S/S drivers over the past 15 or so years, but as he showed in the final, Mr. Gullet is not to be taken lightly, and deserved the win.

Originally Posted by 4406mopar (Post 519726)

Not isolated, happens many events.
Pomona finals SS 3rd round - stock 5th round
Vegas SS 2nd round
Dallas stock 2nd round.
St Louis SS 3rd round, etc

Originally Posted by tranzbuilder (Post 519838)

For all of those wanting to race with tru-start I'm sure the are plenty of bracket racing platforms beginning out there and tracks as well then u won't have to worry about heads-up races fuel check or going over the scales or even tear downs for that matter and centainly won't have to cry on this forum about not getting into a national event where they won't implement tru-start. Believe it or not the level playing field out there is what u make it quit complaining and just get some seat time

Originally Posted by Don Morris (Post 519845)

Maybe I have a misconception of how Tru-Start works. I'd be happy to be corrected.

For example, racing under the Tru-Start system is a V/SA and an A/SA. V car leaves and goes red, but there is no visible indication of a foul start (to use NHRA terminology). Freeze frame right there. As I understand Tru-Start, the V car driver now has a "second chance" at winning the race instead of being automatically eliminated. So far so good? If the A car leaves clean, that driver is the automatic winner. If the A car goes red, I guess they figure it out with the R/T that is closer to .000 or each driver's total package.

Now change things up a little. V car leaves clean and the A car goes red. Is the A car automatically eliminated?

Originally Posted by tranzbuilder (Post 519838)

For all of those wanting to race with tru-start I'm sure the are plenty of bracket racing platforms beginning out there and tracks as well then u won't have to worry about heads-up races fuel check or going over the scales or even tear downs for that matter and centainly won't have to cry on this forum about not getting into a national event where they won't implement tru-start. Believe it or not the level playing field out there is what u make it quit complaining and just get some seat time

Originally Posted by Rory McNeil (Post 519846)

Also, with Tru Start, if the V/SA leaves too early, but no red light is illuminated, does the green light come on,? Does the last amber stay on, like it would for a redlight , or does the slow cars side of the tree have all the lights off?

Originally Posted by Dave Noll (Post 519821)

I'm out.


They do have a best package deal at the bracket finals. 2 out of 3, yeah, hyuk. :eek:


As the starter of this thread, I feel Tru-start is 39 years too late in being implemented. Why change ? As a driver of a slower car, I feel this is a problem that needs to be fixed.


Agreed, except for maybe the pigs.:rolleyes:


Agreed. Bob and Jody are both guys that I have a lot of respect for. They are both real good at doing this. What happened when they raced is just an example of what I feel that tru-start will, in my mind, fix.


My point exactly. Its not isolated. Tru-start is now out there and fixes this advantage that I feel the faster cars have had. I, for 1, would like to see it implemented. Its been created, has a name, I like it. :D

Dave Noll, N/SA 6526

Originally Posted by Don Morris (Post 519856)

For me there is one remaining question. In the case where the slower car leaves on green, but the faster car goes red, when does the driver of the faster car get his "second chance" at winning that race? If the concern is fairness for all, how would this be addrresed?

Originally Posted by Don Morris (Post 519856)

For me there is one remaining question. In the case where the slower car leaves on green, but the faster car goes red, when does the driver of the faster car get his "second chance" at winning that race? If the concern is fairness for all, how would this be addrresed?

Originally Posted by Don Morris (Post 519856)

For me there is one remaining question. In the case where the slower car leaves on green, but the faster car goes red, when does the driver of the faster car get his "second chance" at winning that race? If the concern is fairness for all, how would this be addrresed?

Originally Posted by Jeff Stout (Post 519866)

If the slow car goes red and the fast car goes green,where is the second chance for the slow car to win. How does this get addressed? See what I did there? It's all fair for any 1 car to go green and any 1 car to go red.

Originally Posted by Mickey Whaley (Post 519857)

get a faster car stop stirring ****

Originally Posted by 7423 (Post 519870)

Wow............ it's
going to be a long winter.

Originally Posted by Mickey Whaley (Post 519857)

get a faster car stop stirring ****

Originally Posted by Don Morris (Post 519856)

For me there is one remaining question. In the case where the slower car leaves on green, but the faster car goes red, when does the driver of the faster car get his "second chance" at winning that race? If the concern is fairness for all, how would this be addrresed?

Originally Posted by Don Kennedy (Post 519874)

I am against tru start